Is it time to fire Zach Selmon?

[Santiago]

I saw a coach without players on either side outside of WR and maybe QB & Isaac Smith. I think he screwed the pooch with his defensive staff but the biggest problem there might be the guy State people pushed on him. He's got to find a DC and better staff.
That OL is pitiful. Bunch of weak G5 guys. Also think it takes time to get your system in place and said before the season I just hoped it would click by mid year. We all thought the OL would be solid and we were wrong. RB position is like three blind mice too and I'm not even getting into defense because we said before the season is was a dumpster fire. Hard to blame Lebby 3 games in. He's go to get the players and then we'll see.

gree with you.
I just have to add, IMO, It wasn't talent issue Saturday night, it was Jason Candle coaching circles around us, and having a Toledo team that was mentally tougher and have a culture in place. Our coaching staff are about to get turned every which way when going against elite coaches this season.

[Santiago]

So to answer the original question: No. It's not even close to time to have the discussion of do you need to fire Selmon. He has done incredible with what he was provided, which was a bloated athletic dept with a bunch of lifelong staffers just collecting a check. He took a year to observe the dept and then started handing out pink slips and bringing in his people. That's what has happened with the hires of Joe Bailey, Tom Greene, Josh McCowan, and Terry Prentice. He has brought in more people but those were the main ones. I don't think some of y'all realize how bad it was under Cohen. Selmon has had to completely rebuild that dept basically from the ground up. I think he kept like one main person, Bo Hemphill, and he has really kept him on the outside.

Now on to his handling of coaches, we interviewed more than just Lebby. I know that for a fact. The Chadwell stuff was overblown because he was never coming here with that buyout. Odom did want the job, but I know there was hesitation of how much of his UNLV success was Barry and how much of it was the OC Brendan Marrion. The thought was that UNLV would just promote Marrion to HC and then we would be left with Barry trying to find an OC, which was a 50/50 shot. On Kinne, he lobbied hard for the job but he had been a FBS HC for one year and zero years outside the state of Texas. A lot of people believe when McGuire is let go at TTU or Arranda at Baylor that Kinne would crawl on broken glass to have a P4 Texas HC job. Same as Jeff Traylor. Lebby wanted the job, presented a comprehensive plan for how he woud BUILD AND MAINTAIN us, what he learned from Kiffin, etc. We bought the plan.

On facilities, I mean he's trying to get us up to snuff on that. Unfortunately when all your funds were put towards baseball and the sports that don't turn a profit , it's a bit difficult to get some of that back. So we've had to push MUCH NEEDED projects. Selmon is still pissed about The Hump "renovation" Cohen greenlit. The House Settlement has also thrown a wrench into things because if the Universities have to start funding NIL that is 15-20 mil PER YEAR MINIMUM that will need to go towards that.

Bottom Line: Is Selmon perfect? No and he'd tell you that. But I can promise you he is working his ass off to get us going again. Hell his work with Charlie and the NIL stuff is incredible. He's really helped build that up.

Selmon though, is trying to get out of here, right? He is changing things, but he knows to get on with his career too.

[Cooterpoot]

gree with you.
I just have to add, IMO, It wasn't talent issue Saturday night, it was Jason Candle coaching circles around us, and having a Toledo team that was mentally tougher and have a culture in place. Our coaching staff are about to get turned every which way when going against elite coaches this season.

I think the OL is creating our offensive problems more than anything. You can't run your offense if nobody can block it. Shapen was getting killed because our C was getting shoved up is butt all night and LT is awful. We've tried to mix and match that OL to work but so far, no luck. There's no running game at all and that's a huge part of this offense. The defense is a lost hope.
I honestly believe we've got the worst overall talent on defense I've ever seen.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Selmon though, is trying to get out of here, right? He is changing things, but he knows to get on with his career too.

He's not going to leave us except for ONE JOB. The OU job and they may be thinking bigger than Selmon when Castiglione first retires. And look, Selmon knows this is a long term job interview for him. He knows if he doesn't handle our AD well then OU will never come calling. He's way more motivated than people have apparently made their own conclusions to. Also, for an AD, Castiglione is pretty young. I mean he's only 66. He's probably got AT LEAST 6-7 more years of doing it.

[RockyDog]

This is exactly what needs to happen. Our people have zero clue. It's insane. I just hope our people aren't like "we can't go back to the interlocking MSU because we just started with the script State."

I've never seen an organization that treats their fans like trash as much as MSU football does. On so many different levels.

It goes both ways. A lot of MSU fans are trash. At least the message board mouth breathers. Take this thread as example #1. Blaming Selmon for our current situation and saying the baseball program is trash are laughable.

[Ranchdawg]

So to answer the original question: No. It's not even close to time to have the discussion of do you need to fire Selmon. He has done incredible with what he was provided, which was a bloated athletic dept with a bunch of lifelong staffers just collecting a check. He took a year to observe the dept and then started handing out pink slips and bringing in his people. That's what has happened with the hires of Joe Bailey, Tom Greene, Josh McCowan, and Terry Prentice. He has brought in more people but those were the main ones. I don't think some of y'all realize how bad it was under Cohen. Selmon has had to completely rebuild that dept basically from the ground up. I think he kept like one main person, Bo Hemphill, and he has really kept him on the outside.

Now on to his handling of coaches, we interviewed more than just Lebby. I know that for a fact. The Chadwell stuff was overblown because he was never coming here with that buyout. Odom did want the job, but I know there was hesitation of how much of his UNLV success was Barry and how much of it was the OC Brendan Marrion. The thought was that UNLV would just promote Marrion to HC and then we would be left with Barry trying to find an OC, which was a 50/50 shot. On Kinne, he lobbied hard for the job but he had been a FBS HC for one year and zero years outside the state of Texas. A lot of people believe when McGuire is let go at TTU or Arranda at Baylor that Kinne would crawl on broken glass to have a P4 Texas HC job. Same as Jeff Traylor. Lebby wanted the job, presented a comprehensive plan for how he woud BUILD AND MAINTAIN us, what he learned from Kiffin, etc. We bought the plan.

On facilities, I mean he's trying to get us up to snuff on that. Unfortunately when all your funds were put towards baseball and the sports that don't turn a profit , it's a bit difficult to get some of that back. So we've had to push MUCH NEEDED projects. Selmon is still pissed about The Hump "renovation" Cohen greenlit. The House Settlement has also thrown a wrench into things because if the Universities have to start funding NIL that is 15-20 mil PER YEAR MINIMUM that will need to go towards that.

Bottom Line: Is Selmon perfect? No and he'd tell you that. But I can promise you he is working his ass off to get us going again. Hell his work with Charlie and the NIL stuff is incredible. He's really helped build that up.

I am in no way advocating the firing of Selmon. I do not know what he has done or not done. I am not in the inner circle of MSU athletic department, I am not one of the cigar boys, I am simply just a proud alum and very low tier Bulldog club member and football season ticket holder for many years and my type fan are VASTLY in the majority of the MSU fan base. One of my major gripes with Selmon and Lebby is that they are no where to tell us fans what their visions are. No radio interviews or very few here in central Ms and an another fan said anything MSU on the Ms coast is nonexistent. They not only have to do hard work inside athletic dept. but also have to reach out to the fan base and extoll to everyone by whatever means that what their vision is and will be. They HAVE to give the fan base hope and belief that this this current crap show will not be tolerated and will be fixed. If they dont get off their asses and rally the fan base then we are going to lose a lot of people. Me being one!

[MoreCowbell]

I will say this, I absoutely thought Jamie Chadwell was going to be our coach. If you guys recall a poster named Farmdog said it was happening. I personally know Farmdog and I know he knows Chadwells agent. I also have family connections with Chadwell's agent. I thought he was our guy too but something fell apart. It could have been on our side or his side, I honestly don't know. Either way, doesn't matter now, we have to play the ball where it lies and worry about corrections moving forward. I'm not totally giving up on Lebby but Saturday looked to me like someone that doesn't know what to do.

He was not coming here.

[MoreCowbell]

We are a bottom 10 job in the power 4. Any up and coming sitting head coach having real success is not coming here unless they have skeletons in the closet or have been turned down/looked over for other jobs, just reality. We have a history of sucking and it is very likely that if you come here and cannot win, which is most likely, your head coaching career at a major college football program is over.

Lebby had been looked over for years as an OC so he finally got his shot and took it. Chadwell was as absolute pipe dream.

[FISHDAWG]

That reminds me last year, Bo Bounds was saying something along the lines that he thought we should look at Odom, and a couple other good coaches and he had reservations about Lebby with lack of HC experience.
Not that I listen to the show that much, but man looking back he was right on that one.

You mean the DC that allowed Mike Leach to torch him ? I'll pass.... for all the disgruntlement here understand that this is going to take some time ... just firing everyone isn't the answer

[EdwardDrayton]

Fire Bully the mascot. And Bully the dog. Fire the groundskeeper. Jesus. Zac should be the last person standing on a scorched earth campus.

[Extendedcab]

Fire them all, coaches, players, administration, faculty, students and fans. Then we can import coaches, players, administration, faculty, students and fans from the school of our choice! Or maybe we can mix and match, take coaches from school A, players from school B and on and on! **

[Cooterpoot]

He's not going to leave us except for ONE JOB. The OU job and they may be thinking bigger than Selmon when Castiglione first retires. And look, Selmon knows this is a long term job interview for him. He knows if he doesn't handle our AD well then OU will never come calling. He's way more motivated than people have apparently made their own conclusions to. Also, for an AD, Castiglione is pretty young. I mean he's only 66. He's probably got AT LEAST 6-7 more years of doing it.

He'd leave for just about any P4 job

[Bdawg]

Bo is one of the ones saying Odom was begging for the job. He wanted to be a HC in the SEC again. Bo says we never interviewed him or even returned a call to his agent. If that's true it's a travesty. Odom is a good coach. Of course he's not elite but who the **** is these days. I think some of our boosters are too hung up on finding a Kiffin.

Isn?t Odom a defensive guy? Think everyone at the time was wanting an offensive minded head coach, but I could be mistaken. I think we were wanting someone in the mold of Mullen, proven offensive coordinator.

[CaptainObvious]

Yeah, I thought maybe 6-6 if we were lucky but probably 5-7 because of the defense. Man, we are horrible. This is Jackie's last year bad.

"One can only hope so Jack!"

[TrapGame]

Isn?t Odom a defensive guy? Think everyone at the time was wanting an offensive minded head coach, but I could be mistaken. I think we were wanting someone in the mold of Mullen, proven offensive coordinator.

Yeah, but he's a proven head coach that's 3-0 at UNLV right now. Mullen was lightning in a bottle. We got extremely lucky hiring him.

[memsu06]

Isn?t Odom a defensive guy? Think everyone at the time was wanting an offensive minded head coach, but I could be mistaken. I think we were wanting someone in the mold of Mullen, proven offensive coordinator.

It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

[Cooterpoot]

It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

We have a group of people that handles that already

[Bdawg]

Yeah, but he's a proven head coach that's 3-0 at UNLV right now. Mullen was lightning in a bottle. We got extremely lucky hiring him.

Well you are hindsighting some with the 3-0 this year. Where has he been HC before? I can’t remember. And for as Mullen, I’m just saying I think everyone wanted an “offensive” guy and wanted some kind of excitement on the field. But boy it’s been an awful start and there is not much we can do to change it now. Got to play with who is on the team. I cant say it’s a scheme problem yet on offense because the OL is so horrible no offense could be successful. Defense may be another story, although the players on D are playing awful too.

[Bdawg]

It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

Definitely can’t fire Lebby. Got to give him a chance. But like you said, “if” he could bring in a good coordinator, he may would be fine. Guess you just never know. Just like Lebby. Really wish we would waited on Durkin, if he would have taken it. May not have panned out but at least he was experienced.

[DawgFromOxford]

It would have been a solid hire if he brought a good OC with him.

We have no choice now but to support Lebby's decisions on the team. All this talk about firing him after year 1 is stupid and not going to happen and will be worse for the program.

If I was Selmon I might consider hiring a NIL talent evaluator to take a money ball approach.

Yeah but that?s real easy to say in hindsight. If Odom had come here and gone 1-2 to start everyone would?ve flipped out wondering why we didn?t hire an offensive mind like Lebby. Fact is most coaching searches are a crapshoot in terms of who pans out and who doesn?t