A meeting of the elders - NIL

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is a WILD list and such a good point to make. 1 NFL HoF, another borderline HoF, a 2nd round draft pick, a bunch of NFL UDFAs, and some absolute DAWGS. What a class

I will go to my grave saying that 08 class of HS talent was the most Mississippi has ever had top to bottom. Cox, Russell, Bumphis, Garrett, David Conner, Lawrence, Boyd, Patterson, Rod Woodson, Thames, Kendrick Hardy, and Clayton Moore were the Dandy Dozen

Heck, 10 of the 12 went P5. Obviously some did not stick but the production we got out of that class is ridiculous. Cox, Russell, Bumphis, Lawrence, and Boyd were all multi year SEC STARTERS.

[R2Dawg]

So coaching matters zero? Your an idiot

Coaching cost us a W Saturday.

Yes if we tackle better that also could have been a W.

No PI and no TO and we could have won.

Coaching matters.

[R2Dawg]

And that is why we will struggle in the new era. Our fans don't want to pay. Which is completely fine, no one should tell you how to spend your money, but that is the reason we will have trouble succeeding in the new era. Because something as little as $10/month is too far a bridge to travel over for a bunch of people. And I'm not singling out any specific person that has posted they are against it. Because there are thousands in our fan base that share that sentiment. Again, everyone has the right to spend their money in the way they see fit. But when we get beat 38-17 or 45-21 and you are complaining that we lost, you already know the answer.

Nah, State fans are smart. They want a return for their money, not just throw away hard earned money to win 5 games. Auburn fans are asking for a refund right now after Saturday loss. Welcome to give me the money - NIL era. Have fun yall.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Coaching cost us a W Saturday.

Yes if we tackle better that also could have been a W.

No PI and no TO and we could have won.

Coaching matters.

Correct. The game Saturday was not lost because of athletes or NIL. We will lose games due to that this year, but this was not one of them. We were more talented than them. We lost this game because we refused to make the QB beat us. The second we went to 7-8 man boxes their offense struggled. If we had started stacking the box, we could've stacked 3 and outs and our offense would've had a chance to get in a flow.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nah, State fans are smart. They want a return for their money, not just throw away hard earned money to win 5 games. Auburn fans are asking for a refund right now after Saturday loss. Welcome to give me the money - NIL era. Have fun yall.

So you want to win first and then buy in, but if you don't get players then you don't win.......

[R2Dawg]

So you want to win first and then buy in, but if you don't get players then you don't win.......

Dude I'm a lifelong State alumni, fan, etc. I'm bought in.

Money ain't our issue. I see it everyday in business world. Money don't fix every problem.

We've had top talent in seasons and still haven't won. We've had low talent (by recruiting rankings) and won. There is plenty of talent to go around these days. It is what you do with the talent you got. We got enough money to get good enough talent to win. OM lost Judkins, didn't kill them did it?

[Goldendawg]

I'm with you, i just think it is hard to tell people you have a big NIL budget and tell people to keep giving more - and then we win 3-4 games.

People expect ROI for their hard earned $ and no info on NIL to the people who do give (I didn't cancel my quarterly donation yesterday as I have cooled off a little,LOL) is an issue to me. I get monthly info on my investments. Is some info from the BI too much to ask? Tough times this year, but winning will solve all problems. Hail State!

[R2Dawg]

Correct. The game Saturday was not lost because of athletes or NIL. We will lose games due to that this year, but this was not one of them. We were more talented than them. We lost this game because we refused to make the QB beat us. The second we went to 7-8 man boxes their offense struggled. If we had started stacking the box, we could've stacked 3 and outs and our offense would've had a chance to get in a flow.

Yep, agree. We have enough talent to be 6-6 this year with just ave coaching.

[Cooterpoot]

Yep, agree. We have enough talent to be 6-6 this year with just ave coaching.

No we don't. That defensive talent is the worst I can remember here and there's no depth either. We had to be perfect and catch some luck to win 6. Now we got to be perfect and get all the luck. Like suck it out of a Leprechauns ass lucky and more perfect than super model poon.

[Goldendawg]

Fred Smoot is exactly the guy we need to recruit. He was a JUCO guy who just wanted to get on the field and show how good he was. Jones and Simmons are outliers that for perfectly for what we used to be known for. Now what is our defense known for? I guarantee if you put 12 guys that are hard nosed out there and want to prove something you will get better results than 12 guys that are workout combine guys.

Time will tell & we had so many gaps to fill quickly last cycle, but the talent level in JC is not what it was years ago. Don't forget the year Jackie signed about 20 and only 2 were starters in year two. With virtually no rules in the Portal/NIL world except $, very few athletes can't qualify and attend 4 to 5 colleges these days. Bet progress toward a degree or getting a degree is a joke to most especially in FB and MBB.

[R2Dawg]

No we don't. That defensive talent is the worst I can remember here and there's no depth either. We had to be perfect and catch some luck to win 6. Now we got to be perfect and get all the luck. Like suck it out of a Leprechauns ass lucky and more perfect than super model poon.

We threw one away Sat so maybe now its 5-7. Last year's team beat a top 15 team AZ. We are better than last year.

[Cooterpoot]

We threw one away Sat so maybe now its 5-7. Last year's team beat a top 15 team AZ. We are better than last year.

I'm not arguing that at all. But this ain't a 6 win team with this defense. And Lebby made mistakes too, but you have to expect it early on. That defensive coaching though, that was next level pathetic!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Dude I'm a lifelong State alumni, fan, etc. I'm bought in.

Money ain't our issue. I see it everyday in business world. Money don't fix every problem.

We've had top talent in seasons and still haven't won. We've had low talent (by recruiting rankings) and won. There is plenty of talent to go around these days. It is what you do with the talent you got. We got enough money to get good enough talent to win. OM lost Judkins, didn't kill them did it?

Not talking about you specifically, but I have heard that exact statement from hundreds of State fans since NIL began. Money may not be our issue now, but what if Richard Adkerson decides to stop giving money? What if the Howard's decide to spread the money around once Mr. Billy passes? These are legitimate questions that need to be asked. Those are 6-7 figure donations that we would no longer be getting.

[Goldendawg]

Correct. The game Saturday was not lost because of athletes or NIL. We will lose games due to that this year, but this was not one of them. We were more talented than them. We lost this game because we refused to make the QB beat us. The second we went to 7-8 man boxes their offense struggled. If we had started stacking the box, we could've stacked 3 and outs and our offense would've had a chance to get in a flow.

Second year in a row with a rookie HC and a never had this position, on the job training DC. Not impressed at all after the 3-3-5, no adjustment against the run for about 3 quarters Saturday night. To add, whoever is "teaching" form tacking and wrapping up on contact needs to be demoted asap.

[HancockCountyDog]

We threw one away Sat so maybe now its 5-7. Last year's team beat a top 15 team AZ. We are better than last year.

We aren't on defense. That isn't debatable. We had multiple players on NFL rosters in the preseason off last year's team. This is a silly statement, to be honest.

Offensively, maybe we are better personnel wise, but its close. Defensively, it is not close and any fair analysis of the team would show that.

[Brobi-wan]

No we don't. That defensive talent is the worst I can remember here and there's no depth either. We had to be perfect and catch some luck to win 6. Now we got to be perfect and get all the luck. Like suck it out of a Leprechauns ass lucky and more perfect than super model poon.

Lmao. But yeah, you’re right. We’re going to have to steal one now like a 2020 protestor. Maybe we can swing a win against Mizz, but it will be tough sledding.

[parabrave]

One thing about what I don't get about our NIL is why I don't see any of our players doing commercials for any of the banks or any other corporations? Thats where these kids can make some real cash and it would be a advertising expense for the corp/business.

[Homedawg]

One thing about what I don't get about our NIL is why I don't see any of our players doing commercials for any of the banks or any other corporations? Thats where these kids can make some real cash and it would be a advertising expense for the corp/business.

Who do we have that would add any value to the business???? Nobody. That's why

[DEDawg]

Dude I'm a lifelong State alumni, fan, etc. I'm bought in.

Money ain't our issue. I see it everyday in business world. Money don't fix every problem.

We've had top talent in seasons and still haven't won. We've had low talent (by recruiting rankings) and won. There is plenty of talent to go around these days. It is what you do with the talent you got. We got enough money to get good enough talent to win. OM lost Judkins, didn't kill them did it?

Man you do not want to use OM to attempt to make your point. You would be doing the complete opposite

[DEDawg]

Yep, agree. We have enough talent to be 6-6 this year with just ave coaching.

Wait what? Did you watch Saturday? We are trotting average G5 level players on defense this year. If we go 6-6 it?s because we have well well above average coaching