A meeting of the elders - NIL

[Coach34]

taking one cherry picked outlier doesn't mean anything

It's not one cherry picked outlier. It's happening in all 3 sports

[SilentSteel16]

I believe Lebby still thinks he is at OU or one of his other stops. The HS recruiting that he is doing is not in line with kids unless we are the “dream school”. I have direct information and knowledge of the “once you get here and get on the field, we will hook you up NIL”. NIL is not what you think it is, NIL is not being used as recruiting bait like some of you perceive it to be. I am sure we are breaking the bank on the likes of Cunningham and a few other national level recruits but the 3/4 star guys which are and have been our bread and butter are being told the above statement.

[SilentSteel16]

States NIL is going to kids that are soph/juniors to try and keep them here. We are far lacking on HS recruiting. NIL is more of a retention plan than a recruiting plan. Other schools are recruiting out in state guys much harder and actually offering NIL to our in state guys, Hell Mario (who is a national recruit) was offered less than 15k to sign when other schools out of state were triple that

[StarkVegasSteve]

States NIL is going to kids that are soph/juniors to try and keep them here. We are far lacking on HS recruiting. NIL is more of a retention plan than a recruiting plan. Other schools are recruiting out in state guys much harder and actually offering NIL to our in state guys, Hell Mario (who is a national recruit) was offered less than 15k to sign when other schools out of state were triple that

Lebby has worked to change that. We got MVB due to Lebby and NIL being competitive to what he was getting at Oregon. Under Leach and Arnett the plan was 1000% to just use NIL for retention. Lebby came in and immediately worked to change that. So I do know that will be better this offseason. Also on Nash, I mean why would we overpay if we can get him for what we got him for? Sounds like it would've been like bidding against ourselves.

[Bert Stare]

I love MSU football, but I will never give a dime to NIL. Every extra cent I earn goes to help out either people waiting for organ transplants or people traveling to become living donors. Many of you give to similar situations with St Jude or just your neighbor who needs medical bill help. We have collectively lost our way for humanity when you are shaming others into giving money to a teenage athlete so he can get the more premium package on his dodge hellcat.

I don't give a damn if we go 2-10 every year. I ain't ever giving to NIL. biggest scam with the absolute least in return you can find.

Help people who actually need it.

[MoreCowbell]

Serious question, if I gave 25k to the NIL fun tomorrow what tangible difference could I see that I made?

[StarkVegasSteve]

I love MSU football, but I will never give a dime to NIL. Every extra cent I earn goes to help out either people waiting for organ transplants or people traveling to become living donors. Many of you give to similar situations with St Jude or just your neighbor who needs medical bill help. We have collectively lost our way for humanity when you are shaming others into giving money to a teenage athlete so he can get the more premium package on his dodge hellcat.

I don't give a damn if we go 2-10 every year. I ain't ever giving to NIL. biggest scam with the absolute least in return you can find.

Help people who actually need it.

Thank you Bert. We appreciate your opinion on the subject matter. Now when is Billy Napier selling that Starkville house he bought 5 years ago? Or the Oxford house he bought 3 years ago? Or the house he has in Gainesville? Or the house in Columbia, SC? I'd really like to jump on those listings.

You telling someone to spend their money one way is no different than me telling someone to spend it another. However, since this is a MISSISSIPPI STATE MESSAGE BOARD some of us do see it pertinent to discuss NIL. At the end of the day, it is the right of the person who owns the money to spend it however they want.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Serious question, if I gave 25k to the NIL fun tomorrow what tangible difference could I see that I made?

You would probably have a bit more access than the avg fan. You could actually dictate where you wanted your money to go also.

[MoreCowbell]

Having a hard time thinking of a school in the big 2.5 conferences that NIL era has been affected as bad as it seems we have. Small alumni base, not a lot of money. Like Kentucky sucks but they have a large base and some big donors. Same with Arkansas. We are just in a tough spot.

[gtowndawg]

States NIL is going to kids that are soph/juniors to try and keep them here. We are far lacking on HS recruiting. NIL is more of a retention plan than a recruiting plan. Other schools are recruiting out in state guys much harder and actually offering NIL to our in state guys, Hell Mario (who is a national recruit) was offered less than 15k to sign when other schools out of state were triple that

Agreed. I do think we have to spend the majority to keep proven players (and I'm fine with that strategy). But it doens't leave much in the war chest to go out and compete heavy in the portal to help build the team on top of the talent we retain via NIL. So we are in a perpetual state of just being ok. We keep some good players but don't have much to go around them.

[gtowndawg]

Having a hard time thinking of a school in the big 2.5 conferences that NIL era has been affected as bad as it seems we have. Small alumni base, not a lot of money. Like Kentucky sucks but they have a large base and some big donors. Same with Arkansas. We are just in a tough spot.

I think it's fine to realize what we have to work with - not as much as most of the othe SEC schools. But as stated earlier, if we all had one common goal and we all supported that effort we would be totally fine. Good even. But based on this thread alone I think we see the problem...we are all pulling in a thousand different directions. Ole Miss is not that much different than us, they're not. But they have absoutly convinced their fanbase if they give they are going to win big (and that's paying off for them, literally).

[StarkVegasSteve]

Having a hard time thinking of a school in the big 2.5 conferences that NIL era has been affected as bad as it seems we have. Small alumni base, not a lot of money. Like Kentucky sucks but they have a large base and some big donors. Same with Arkansas. We are just in a tough spot.

We are. We, a lot like OM, have to rely on smaller donations and more of them. The $100-$500 donations are paramount to our success. It's like I've said since this thing got going, which was 24-36 months late(Thank Cohen and Lee Van Horn's dumbass Legacy Group for that), we need to attempt to sign every State fan that walks into DWS up for monthly BI donations. Just $10/month would be $120 a year and just going conservatively that you could sign up 30K for the season would equate to an addt. 3.6 million in NIL funds

[SilentSteel16]

Lebby has worked to change that. We got MVB due to Lebby and NIL being competitive to what he was getting at Oregon. Under Leach and Arnett the plan was 1000% to just use NIL for retention. Lebby came in and immediately worked to change that. So I do know that will be better this offseason. Also on Nash, I mean why would we overpay if we can get him for what we got him for? Sounds like it would've been like bidding against ourselves.

That is exactly my point, with Nash, he has been very vocal about his two dream schools, State and FSU. Lebby is approaching every in state kid just assuming we are their dream school. This strategy is why you are “missing” on in state guys. Also don’t be terribly surprised if there is a flip after the visit to tally in October. FSU is one of the more generous NIL offers to HS kids. No inside track on Nash but I know for fact that they offered way more than State to other in state 25 OL. Just something to chew on.

[BankerDog]

we have a lot more out of state alumni who are a lot more well off than people realize. The problem is our administration doesn?t do a good job of keeping up with who is making the money and who isn?t.

[gtowndawg]

We are. We, a lot like OM, have to rely on smaller donations and more of them. The $100-$500 donations are paramount to our success. It's like I've said since this thing got going, which was 24-36 months late(Thank Cohen and Lee Van Horn's dumbass Legacy Group for that), we need to attempt to sign every State fan that walks into DWS up for monthly BI donations. Just $10/month would be $120 a year and just going conservatively that you could sign up 30K for the season would equate to an addt. 3.6 million in NIL funds

Correct. I'm not asking anyone to sell a car and give to the NIL, that's crazy. I'm saying do $10 per month. Are Miss. State fans really that bad off they can't do $10 a month? It's an honest question. Or is it just, well, I'm going to call it jealousy, that a college player makes good money and drives a nice car perhaps? Heck, I can assure you there are players driving a nicer car than I do, I don't care. But when you have two in private school and one in college the car doesn't seem to matter much anymore lol.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That is exactly my point, with Nash, he has been very vocal about his two dream schools, State and FSU. Lebby is approaching every in state kid just assuming we are their dream school. This strategy is why you are “missing” on in state guys. Also don’t be terribly surprised if there is a flip after the visit to tally in October. FSU is one of the more generous NIL offers to HS kids. No inside track on Nash but I know for fact that they offered way more than State to other in state 25 OL. Just something to chew on.

Again though, if he committed to us, why would we be bidding against ourselves? I mean if he came to us and said "Hey FSU offered X amount, I'm going to need more" or we upped his offer so he wouldn't visit FSU then that is a different story. Happened all the times in the under the table days and you and I both know that all to well. My point was, why would we go to the kid and say "hey I know we gave you X amount but we just feel like upping that 10K now even though you have never played a snap of CFB". .

[oildawg]

gtowndawg - I think you are exactly right. I was at the Arizona State game, in row 2 - and was able to watch Lebby's reaction during the game. I was really impressed with his demeanor, and who he spoke with - how he approached players in the right way. I left the game thinking, we've got a great coach - we need to give him the NIL to compete.

If you normalize things like talent evaluation, I wonder how much it would cost to land a competitive SEC roster. There's probably a cost for lower tier talent, middle tier and top tier. Believe Ohio State was noted for having a $20 million roster - and they're in playoff contention. I don't have any inside information here - but could $10 million buy us at least a middle tier roster? One way to get there is for 1000 fans (maybe top 1000 Bulldog Club members) to donate $10,000 to get to $10 million. Or, 10,000 fans to give $1000...... Or any type of combination like that.....

[SilentSteel16]

I am agreeing with you, I am more on the lines of saying Lebby and Co are seemingly more into transfers than hs recruiting unless it is a splash type player. I think the homegrown 3 star kids starting Jr/Sr year after being developed are over for college athletics thanks to portal

[StarkVegasSteve]

I am agreeing with you, I am more on the lines of saying Lebby and Co are seemingly more into transfers than hs recruiting unless it is a splash type player. I think the homegrown 3 star kids starting Jr/Sr year after being developed are over for college athletics thanks to portal

I think you are right. I think he is taking the Lane approach. Picking HS recruits here and there but mostly focusing on transfers. And honestly, if you can find multi year transfers, that may be the approach

[gtowndawg]

gtowndawg - I think you are exactly right. I was at the Arizona State game, in row 2 - and was able to watch Lebby's reaction during the game. I was really impressed with his demeanor, and who he spoke with - how he approached players in the right way. I left the game thinking, we've got a great coach - we need to give him the NIL to compete.

If you normalize things like talent evaluation, I wonder how much it would cost to land a competitive SEC roster. There's probably a cost for lower tier talent, middle tier and top tier. Believe Ohio State was noted for having a $20 million roster - and they're in playoff contention. I don't have any inside information here - but could $10 million buy us at least a middle tier roster? One way to get there is for 1000 fans (maybe top 1000 Bulldog Club members) to donate $10,000 to get to $10 million. Or, 10,000 fans to give $1000...... Or any type of combination like that.....

Thank you! I have faith in Lebby, I think he can be a really good coach but he needs studs to compete in this league. As I said earlier, we can do this, we just need a clear vision and have people commit to a small amount every year. I think we can even get the debbie downers on board if we do this right!