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Moorhead Interview
the discussion of his time at State starts around 13:30.
Oh boy...
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TLDR - "It was them, not me. Please ignore my record 4-20 record at Akron because I've won more games in 2 years here then the previous coach won in 3."
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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It's funny how he talks about State buying into some "revisionist history" when that's exactly what he's doing. Yeah, it sounds good the way he frames it, but he completely ignores the loaded roster he was handed (as compared to the guy that came before him, and the one that came after him) as well as any of the other circumstances surrounding his record here. Virtually all of the losses were because of how bad his offense was. We looked bad in a lot of our wins, but the defense saved us or we were just playing a far less talented team. He refuses to accept ANY accountability, but then you see his record at Akron against teams with similar talent. I mean, they open the interview up by talking about how he barely eeked by St. Frances (who?) in OT in his first game as the Akron HC. That's one of his FOUR wins there. LOL. Saint Freaking Frances - that's 25% of his wins as HC at Akron. But, even there, that's not his fault. He's happy to have those 4 wins there, because the coach before him (who was fired for sucking, by the way) sucked a little more than he does.
Akron is a perfect fit for him. ZERO expectations, and he's happy to live up to them because he can blame the school's history instead of himself. Will be funny when he is still on the hot seat by the end of year 3 due to not being able to live up to even ZERO expectations. But, amazingly, he'll still be convinced that he's not the problem.
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Originally Posted by
PMDawg
It's funny how he talks about State buying into some "revisionist history" when that's exactly what he's doing. Yeah, it sounds good the way he frames it, but he completely ignores the loaded roster he was handed (as compared to the guy that came before him, and the one that came after him) as well as any of the other circumstances surrounding his record here. Virtually all of the losses were because of how bad his offense was. We looked bad in a lot of our wins, but the defense saved us or we were just playing a far less talented team. He refuses to accept ANY accountability, but then you see his record at Akron against teams with similar talent. I mean, they open the interview up by talking about how he barely eeked by St. Frances (who?) in OT in his first game as the Akron HC. That's one of his FOUR wins there. LOL. Saint Freaking Frances - that's 25% of his wins as HC at Akron. But, even there, that's not his fault. He's happy to have those 4 wins there, because the coach before him (who was fired for sucking, by the way) sucked a little more than he does.
Akron is a perfect fit for him. ZERO expectations, and he's happy to live up to them because he can blame the school's history instead of himself. Will be funny when he is still on the hot seat by the end of year 3 due to not being able to live up to even ZERO expectations. But, amazingly, he'll still be convinced that he's not the problem.
REP^
Yeah, pretty much all of this.
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He also completely leaves out the part that we weren't going to fire him......until his MLB punched out his starting QB and caused him to miss the bowl game.
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The sad thing is that I actually liked Joe as a person when he was here. He was very down to earth, had a plan for how to elevate us, etc. However, he's kind of like the guy that has a million good ideas, but someone has just beat him to all of them. Then he complains about it and how everyone is trying to keep him down.
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Moorhead took Hud's advice and used the zone read to embarrass A&M and Auburn, but he decided "I don't want to win that way".
Play to Fitz's strengths with a couple of RPO sets and we win 10 games that year and Joe is looking like COTY.
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The guy may be decently smart with an offense, but he is not a head coach at the P4 level. We honestly had fans saying that his offense was going to be above and beyond Mullen’s and he was going to be a better coach. I really wanted to be wrong about him but some quick research about his history and winning with other coaches players with talent advantages clearly shows that he was Houston Nutt 2.0 but worse. The crazy part is SI writers who are paid to do this stuff actually thought he was a good hire. It is still just baffling Cohen messed this up so bad
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And lets not forget -
ALL 8 WINS IN 2018 WERE VACATED BECAUSE OF YOUR NEGLEGENCE SLOMO!
The full is list of penalties for the academic misconduct are as follows:
A fine of $5,000, plus 1% each of the football and men’s basketball budgets.
A reduction of two football scholarships during each of the 2020-21 and 2021-22 academic years.
A reduction of one men’s basketball scholarship during the 2020-21 academic year.
A reduction of four football official visits from the program’s four-year average of 40 visits during the 2019-20 academic year.
A reduction of two men’s basketball official visits from the program’s four-year average of 10 visits during the 2019-20 and 2020-21 rolling two-year period.
A prohibition of football unofficial visits during one home contest for the 2019-20, 2020-21 and 2021-22 academic years.
A prohibition of men’s basketball unofficial visits during two home contests for the 2019-20 and 2020-21 academic years.
A reduction of football evaluation days by two in the fall 2019 and 10 in spring 2020.
A reduction of men’s basketball recruiting-person days by six in the spring of 2020.
Three years of probation.
A vacation of records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible. The university must provide a written report containing the contests impacted to the NCAA media coordination and statistics staff within 45 days of the public decision release.
A disassociation of the former tutor.
All involved student-athletes must conduct one rules education session on the consequences of academic misconduct.
Participation in the National Association of Academic and Student-Athlete Development Professionals program review and Academic Integrity Assessment process.
A 10-year show-cause order for the former tutor. During that period, any NCAA member school employing her must restrict her from any athletically related duties unless it shows cause why the restrictions should not apply.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Honest question here, was Moorhead really that bad at State? In no way am I defending him but what would have constituted a good year and what truly were our expectations for him? I know he inherited one of the top ranked defenses in the country his first year, but Mullen went 9-4 the year prior with pretty much the same team. In fact our best season since hiring Mullen was our infamous 2014 Dak Prescott led 10-3 team that reached #1.
Outside of that we've averaged about 7 wins a season with Moorhead, Leach and Arnett combined. Again, I'm not taking up for Moorhead or even bashing him, I'm just curious as to what our expectations were then and we do we truly expect from Lebby for that matter?
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Originally Posted by
NCMSTFAN
Honest question here, was Moorhead really that bad at State? In no way am I defending him but what would have constituted a good year and what truly were our expectations for him? I know he inherited one of the top ranked defenses in the country his first year, but Mullen went 9-4 the year prior with pretty much the same team. In fact our best season since hiring Mullen was our infamous 2014 Dak Prescott led 10-3 team that reached #1.
Outside of that we've averaged about 7 wins a season with Moorhead, Leach and Arnett combined. Again, I'm not taking up for Moorhead or even bashing him, I'm just curious as to what our expectations were then and we do we truly expect from Lebby for that matter?
The inmates were running the asylum, and Joe's Yankee ass didn't like practicing in the sweltering heat of August. We were trending down. IIRC, some of Jackie's and Mullen's former players were invited to a practice by Cohen and they all told Cohen that Joe was too soft.
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Originally Posted by
NCMSTFAN
Honest question here, was Moorhead really that bad at State? In no way am I defending him but what would have constituted a good year and what truly were our expectations for him? I know he inherited one of the top ranked defenses in the country his first year, but Mullen went 9-4 the year prior with pretty much the same team. In fact our best season since hiring Mullen was our infamous 2014 Dak Prescott led 10-3 team that reached #1.
Outside of that we've averaged about 7 wins a season with Moorhead, Leach and Arnett combined. Again, I'm not taking up for Moorhead or even bashing him, I'm just curious as to what our expectations were then and we do we truly expect from Lebby for that matter?
Our expectations were that we had an all world D coming back, which we did, and all he had to do was not screw it up. He screwed it up by trying to ask a QB, who needed to be learning Algebra 2, to learn Calculus. The two games where we went away from the JoeMo offense(Auburn and A&M) we looked the best. So people already had a sour taste in their mouth from that.
Then we go to 2019. We have TutorGate, which knocks out one of, if not your best, returning defenders in Willie Gay as well as causes depth issues. Add in to that dysfunction at multiple positions(QB being chief) and then his MLB punches out his starting QB in bowl game prep. We also were woefully out of shape in 2019 because our strength coach left and instead of going out and hiring one, we promoted from within.
Moorhead to this day apparently still cannot grasp he was not fired for on field performance. It was everything off the field and around the program. We kept him BECAUSE HE BEAT OLE MISS. A stupid reason to keep him, but look who the AD was.
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Originally Posted by
NCMSTFAN
Honest question here, was Moorhead really that bad at State? In no way am I defending him but what would have constituted a good year and what truly were our expectations for him? I know he inherited one of the top ranked defenses in the country his first year, but Mullen went 9-4 the year prior with pretty much the same team. In fact our best season since hiring Mullen was our infamous 2014 Dak Prescott led 10-3 team that reached #1.
Outside of that we've averaged about 7 wins a season with Moorhead, Leach and Arnett combined. Again, I'm not taking up for Moorhead or even bashing him, I'm just curious as to what our expectations were then and we do we truly expect from Lebby for that matter?
It was never really the win total. It was the off the field stuff. He was letting our program behave like we were scUM.
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Originally Posted by
TrapGame
The inmates were running the asylum
This was the biggest factor in my opinion. It all came to a head when our QB missed the bowl game because he was punched by a fellow teammate. And sure, he can remind us all that he was 2-0 against OM, but those were 2 awful years for OM. Kiffin would curb stomp JoMo. If JoMo was still the coach in 2021 (I don't count 2020), we would have gone 3-9 (0-8) that season.
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We had the #1 defense statistically in 2018 but our offense was really bad which was weird since his supposed calling card was offense. Losing as bad as we did to KY sucked but it was Florida that threw me off the bandwagon plus we scored a combined 9 points against FL, AL, and LSU. Ole Miss also gift wrapped him a win. We average 7.6 wins per year with Mullen so saying 7 was a little disingenuous which I overlooked but then to go on and say "the coach after me went 19-17" which was Leach was imo another thing he shouldn't have said as not only did he die and not get fired but he had a better year with lesser talent than Moorhead had here. Plus he was 19-16 not 19-17. Also I wonder what Moorhead's final tally would be here if he had to play a full year vs the SEC.
Last edited by Matt3467; 08-28-2024 at 09:57 AM.
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Originally Posted by
Brobi-wan
It was never really the win total. It was the off the field stuff. He was letting our program behave like we were scUM.
That's not accurate. It was underachieving vs. our talent (so, yeah, win total), the way we looked while winning AND losing (barely beating teams we were heavily favored to beat, losing (sometimes badly) to teams we were within a TD of in either direction, and looking absolutely inept on offense against any team with an above average defense), the way he talked to and about our fans, the culture he was instilling (or failing to instill) within the program, tutor-gate, and always refusing to accept accountability as the CEO of it all. So it was both on and off the field. The whole thing was a failure.
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Originally Posted by
Matt3467
We had the #1 defense statistically in 2018 but our offense was really bad which was weird since his supposed calling card was offense. Losing as bad as we did to KY sucked but it was Florida that threw me off the bandwagon plus we scored a combined 9 points against FL, AL, and LSU. Ole Miss also gift wrapped him a win. We average 7.6 wins per year with Mullen so saying 7 was a little disingenuous which I overlooked but then to go on and say "the coach after me went 19-17" which was Leach was imo another thing he shouldn't have said as not only did he die and not get fired but he had a better year with lesser talent than Moorhead had here. Plus he was 19-16 not 19-17. Also I wonder what Moorhead's final tally would be here if he had to play a full year vs the SEC.
Moorhead goes 1-9 with our 2020 schedule, maybe 0-10. Could you image how out of shape and out of control our team would have been under Moorhead during COVID?? It would have been brutal.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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That man was obsessed with his RPO's.
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
Moorhead goes 1-9 with our 2020 schedule, maybe 0-10. Could you image how out of shape and out of control our team would have been under Moorhead during COVID?? It would have been brutal.
I agree. 2020 was bad. New coach, covid, all sec schedule. However, one of the proudest moments I had as a Bulldog fan happened in 2020 when we were barely able to field a team vs Georgia in Athens yet we did it anyway and despite all of that almost came out with a win. It's hard to imagine a world where Moorhead in 2020 does better.
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