What are our realistic expectations

[Todd4State]

For the offense this year? Strictly PPG can we average 30 PPG? I'm not too worried about yards because that can be a misleading stat.

I think we can average somewhere between 32-34 PPG and around 28 PPG in SEC play.

If our defense can average 28 PPG which is not impressive we should win some games this year.

[confucius say]

I think 24-25 per game in sec play.

[mparkerfd20]

27-31 in SEC. 37-41 in non conference. We go anywhere from 6-6 to 8-4. I think we go 7-5 and bowling regardless. I think people are sleeping on this team simply from the unknowns with a new coach and a DC nobody knows. We have talent.

[Leroy Jenkins]

It's hard for me to say. I subconsciously over-estimate our guys because of familiarity and homerisim. So I have to factor that.

[Todd4State]

27-31 in SEC. 37-41 in non conference. We go anywhere from 6-6 to 8-4. I think we go 7-5 and bowling regardless. I think people are sleeping on this team simply from the unknowns with a new coach and a DC nobody knows. We have talent.

I agree 100%. Plus I think a lot of people are scarred from Arnett. I don't think the last staff was able to maximize the talent we had that is coming back so some guys are probably better than we realize like John Lewis for example.

[Offshore Dawg]

Hopefully we well get to see what the Dawgs can do with what should be a real coaching staff.

[MoreCowbell]

27-31 in SEC. 37-41 in non conference. We go anywhere from 6-6 to 8-4. I think we go 7-5 and bowling regardless. I think people are sleeping on this team simply from the unknowns with a new coach and a DC nobody knows. We have talent.

If we win 6 or more games with this roster go ahead and offer Lebby a lifetime contract

[Choctaw Dawg]

5-7 or 6-6

I got burnt being excited for the first years of the Moorhead and the Arnett tenures only to be sorely disappointed. I'm purely wait and see with Lebby.

[EdwardDrayton]

Will be back here to answer this after the third game.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

We don't play Bama this year so the average automatically goes up.

[confucius say]

I'd be interested to see our ppg in sec play the last ten years

[confucius say]

2014. 33.75 in sec play.
2015. 26.25 in sec play.
2016. 29.25 in sec play.
2017. 26.25 in sec play.

2018. 19.25 in sec play. Geez Joe.
2019. 23.25 in sec play.

2020. 20.7 in sec play.
2021. 28.5 in sec play.
2022. 25.375 in sec play.

2023. 12.625 in sec play. My word.

[RockyDog]

If we win 6 or more games with this roster go ahead and offer Lebby a lifetime contract

That is part of what is wrong historically with MSU. Our fans fall so in love with a coach that they equate a few winning seasons to lifetime security. With Jackie, things started going off the rails and we continued to give him more seasons to see if it would change. Same with Polk 2 and Bury. Fans get all emotional and it makes moving on a much bigger challenge than it needs to be.

We also have a segment of the fan base that thinks "the media" is gonna be mad with big ol MSU if we fire a coach. Most sane fans knew after season 2 of Crooms that it wasn?t gonna work yet we let that clown stick around for 5 seasons and even spelled out his damn name with the band after an exhilarating 10-3 pounding of mighty UCF.

MSU fans have got to stop with this way of thinking. College football is a business. Coaches are burning out and retiring younger and younger, so the odds of having a coach stick around 5 or more seasons is drastically less than it was in the last several decades. What you really need to concentrate on is making sure that you continue to employ ADs that have a sack and are willing to make big boy decisions

[StarkVegasSteve]

In Lebby's last 4 years as an OC his offenses have averaged around 35PPG. I'd expect us to be somewhere between 25-28 in conference play and 35-40 in non con. That should be good enough for 6-6

[Goldendawg]

6-6 floor and 7-5 ceiling. OOC is usual cupcakes. We are not the only SEC team rebuilding through the portal or coming off a bad/mediocre year. Coaches that can turn 40 or even more portal individuals into a team quickly will be successful nationwide and I think Lebby knows how to play this new game. Mark me excited! Hail State!

[deltadawg63]

That is part of what is wrong historically with MSU. Our fans fall so in love with a coach that they equate a few winning seasons to lifetime security. With Jackie, things started going off the rails and we continued to give him more seasons to see if it would change. Same with Polk 2 and Bury. Fans get all emotional and it makes moving on a much bigger challenge than it needs to be.

We also have a segment of the fan base that thinks "the media" is gonna be mad with big ol MSU if we fire a coach. Most sane fans knew after season 2 of Crooms that it wasn?t gonna work yet we let that clown stick around for 5 seasons and even spelled out his damn name with the band after an exhilarating 10-3 pounding of mighty UCF.

MSU fans have got to stop with this way of thinking. College football is a business. Coaches are burning out and retiring younger and younger, so the odds of having a coach stick around 5 or more seasons is drastically less than it was in the last several decades. What you really need to concentrate on is making sure that you continue to employ ADs that have a sack and are willing to make big boy decisions

In the past, we have leaned upon and attempted to use "stability" as a strength and sometimes we confused stability with consistency. I think our current leadership has transitioned us to a much more sound business model and we do realize that it is more a business than ever before. But we also have to realize and identify "what is success" relatively at MSU. I long supported Dan and Rick because I still believe that they represented good success at MSU and, frankly, part of our football program and challenge at present is due to coaching instability over the last 6 seasons. Fans have to realize that we have to take chances on finding that up and rising football coach and if he has success, work to hold him as long as possible and then not be bothered if he leaves but left us having been successful (winning seasons, bowls, competing with peers-OM, UK, Arkansas, USCe).

[confucius say]

In Lebby's last 4 years as an OC his offenses have averaged around 35PPG. I'd expect us to be somewhere between 25-28 in conference play and 35-40 in non con. That should be good enough for 6-6

Any marked improvement from year 1 to year 2 at Mississippi and Oklahoma?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Any marked improvement from year 1 to year 2 at Mississippi and Oklahoma?

Actually went down about a TD per game from year 1 to year 2 at OM, but went up almost 10 pts from year 1 to year 2 at OU

[confucius say]

2014. 33.75 in sec play.
2015. 26.25 in sec play.
2016. 29.25 in sec play.
2017. 26.25 in sec play.

2018. 19.25 in sec play. Geez Joe.
2019. 23.25 in sec play.

2020. 20.7 in sec play.
2021. 28.5 in sec play.
2022. 25.375 in sec play.

2023. 12.625 in sec play. My word.

Looking at this, 28 per game in sec play would be good.

[Coach34]

My biggest concern is that yeah- we will play fast and have some guys on offense. Offense has been totally rebuilt from 2 years ago when it was Airbone. But:

We dont have the dudes defensively. By playing fast we are going to make our defense play more plays. We'll get worn down. We'll get injured. We'll have guys playing on D that just arent mid-level or better SEC guys in the 4th Q. The worry is alot of late collapses or pull aways in games.