All you need to know

[Coursesuper]

It started when the colleges could start making major money. It's taken a couple decades, but the decline started then. Big TV contracts, then salaries, now paying the players... it's over folks. Soon there will be a players union and then we'll have the Auburn/Yella Wood Tigers... and finally The Yella Tigers playing at Auburn, AL.

This is correct, instead of thinking forward the only thought was winning at all costs. Now that the cat is out of the bag there is no putting it back in. If you want to point fingers the Bammers, Mitchigans, Tigas, and golden domer’s are good places to start. But the SEC and the power 5 are at the root of this together. And for those that try to lay the blame with the NCAA, just stop and think who the NCAA really is.

[Churchill]

Now are the colleges making money or are the athletic programs making the money which is immediately spent by the athletic department......just before they ask the school for more money ?

[Coursesuper]

Now are the colleges making money or are the athletic programs making the money which is immediately spent by the athletic department......just before they ask the school for more money ?

There is a direct correlation between athletics success and enrollment. It may sound strange but it’s true. We were just on a trip where it’s warm and met a couple from Vermont whose kid is looking at attending Bammer or the Confederates due to SEC football. Or first comment was have you been there? And they had been to Tuscaloosa. So it is a good, good situation.

[Churchill]

Well how many kids do you think we've ever had at State because of athletic success ? I can fathom a few but there can't be very many.

[Maroonthirteen]

I've mentioned it before but seems appropriate again... a co-worker's son plays P5 football. The dad says NIL and portal is an absolute crap show.

His son has made nothing from NIL. His son is a 2nd stringer DL plays a lot of snaps.
He says there are kids that make nothing, some that make decent money and some that are paid a lot of money. He says skills players do seem to make more but there is no structure or logic to who is paid what. It is about when you came in, if you signed out of HS and stayed or transfer in.
He says transfers tend to be the higher paid it creates resentment.
He said their team brought in a transfer DL last spring, paid him a lot of nil, the current players hated the guy and the guy played fewer snaps than his son.
He says other schools tamper all season long. His son gets random calls from random people at other schools.
He said his son told the coaches he was leaving if he didn't get NIL. They are working on him some NIL now.
He says that's how it is. The coaches ignore you and nil. It's only when you put the pressure on do they go to bat for you for NIL.

Hearing him talk.... it's insane.

[Todd4State]

The NFL should take athletes straight from HS. That might be a good start to ending some of this ridiculousness.

The problem there is there is a massive jump between high school football and the NFL. Really hard to see very many if any players that are going to be successful making that jump. Most of the players I can recall that didn't play college football and made it to the NFL were in their early 20's and did like Joe Horn where he played JUCO ball and then caught on in Canada before the Saints took him. I remember the Cardinals took a guy that didn't qualify for college but played Semi-Pro ball. And I've heard of some foreign players that played other pro sports like Rugby or a foreign pro football league drafted.

With a 53+ man roster the NFL isn't going to take a high school kid who is like a 6'5" 260 pound OL prospect and develop them. Even MLB is shifting to college baseball for talent and the high school players they do pick and sign have to play in the minors for about 3-5 years before they're ready to play in MLB.

[Todd4State]

I've mentioned it before but seems appropriate again... a co-worker's son plays P5 football. The dad says NIL and portal is an absolute crap show.

His son has made nothing from NIL. His son is a 2nd stringer DL plays a lot of snaps.
He says there are kids that make nothing, some that make decent money and some that are paid a lot of money. He says skills players do seem to make more but there is no structure or logic to who is paid what. It is about when you came in, if you signed out of HS and stayed or transfer in.
He says transfers tend to be the higher paid it creates resentment.
He said their team brought in a transfer DL last spring, paid him a lot of nil, the current players hated the guy and the guy played fewer snaps than his son.
He says other schools tamper all season long. His son gets random calls from random people at other schools.
He said his son told the coaches he was leaving if he didn't get NIL. They are working on him some NIL now.
He says that's how it is. The coaches ignore you and nil. It's only when you put the pressure on do they go to bat for you for NIL.

Hearing him talk.... it's insane.

Great perspective. Thank you for sharing.

It's obvious that they're going to have to come up with some kind of pay structure and some structured transfer rules.

[dawgday166]

Great perspective. Thank you for sharing.

It's obvious that they're going to have to come up with some kind of pay structure and some structured transfer rules.

Obvious?
I see a lot of bitching and moaning about it but not a lot of action. But then I ain't following it real close either.

[Maroonthirteen]

Obvious?
I see a lot of bitching and moaning about it but not a lot of action. But then I ain't following it real close either.

There is action But it is making matters worse. The US District court slapped a restraining order on the ncaa in December. Which doesn't allow the ncaa to enforce transfer rules. I don't believe there has been another hearing. Therefore the restraining order continues. Free transfers any time you want and as much as you want.

Which I find it ironic people blame the ncaa for this mess. The NCAA rules said you could not pay players NIL. Because they knew people would find loop holes and what it could become. Then you have a court rule against the ncaa and here we are. The courts rule against the ncaa and make transfer rules non existent. It's the courts not the ncaa. They created this mess.

[dawgday166]

There is action But it is making matters worse. The US District court slapped a restraining order on the ncaa in December. Which doesn't allow the ncaa to enforce transfer rules. I don't believe there has been another hearing. Therefore the restraining order continues. Free transfers any time you want and as much as you want.

Which I find it ironic people blame the ncaa for this mess. The NCAA rules said you could not pay players NIL. Because they knew people would find loop holes and what it could become. Then you have a court rule against the ncaa and here we are. The courts rule against the ncaa and make transfer rules non existent. It's the courts not the ncaa. They created this mess.

Ok ... I take back what I said then. As I said, I haven't followed it that closely.

[Bothrops]

This all started after George Floyd's death and the pandemic. Entitlement culture was one of several stoked fires from the fallout of it.

[Coursesuper]

This all started after George Floyd's death and the pandemic. Entitlement culture was one of several stoked fires from the fallout of it.

This started well before that.

[RocketDawg]

There is a direct correlation between athletics success and enrollment. It may sound strange but it’s true. We were just on a trip where it’s warm and met a couple from Vermont whose kid is looking at attending Bammer or the Confederates due to SEC football. Or first comment was have you been there? And they had been to Tuscaloosa. So it is a good, good situation.

Alabama's enrollment doubled during Saban's tenure, and over 60% of the students are out of state.

I don't know why someone would go to a different state university, unless they were getting a really good scholarship, and pay double to triple what their instate school costs. Or it's one of the elite public schools like Virginia or Michigan.

[Extendedcab]

Alabama's enrollment doubled during Saban's tenure, and over 60% of the students are out of state.

I don't know why someone would go to a different state university, unless they were getting a really good scholarship, and pay double to triple what their instate school costs. Or it's one of the elite public schools like Virginia or Michigan.

It is not an elite public school! My cousin?s son went there with a major same as mine. Let?s just say his knowledge level was not what it should be. That was scary if that is the education level to be expected from recent graduates.

[RezDog7]

Then stop the charade and give the “poor kids” a piece of the pie and stop with the bullshit of telling Average Joe Fan “for a measly 20 bucks a month you can help the collective buy players”

This times a million. Most people don't care that players are getting paid. But stop asking me to pay them. That has completely turned me off of college sports. I'll just watch pro sports.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Didn?t Bellichek make 28 million last year?

[BrunswickDawg]

This all started after George Floyd's death and the pandemic. Entitlement culture was one of several stoked fires from the fallout of it.

You are absolutely wrong. Ed O'Bannon filed his lawsuit in 2009. The craziest part is that he was a player in the mid-90s and he was suing for NIL infringement because they used the '95 UCLA team in a 2009 video game. The suit wasn't finally ruled on until 2015 - and the NCAA had 8 f'n years to decide how to handle NIL AND THEY FAILED TO ACT. That's when the states got involved and started approving NIL legislation.

Make no mistake about it - the NCAA had every opportunity after 2009 to solve NIL and they did nothing.

[Jarius]

Middle aged middle class men aren’t going to continue to finance this operation when the players that the school is making millions on and don’t have to pay for continue to spit in their faces and transfer out right after you pay them. The total lack of respect for the people that love their universities by the players and the schools and the coaches is going to cause this collapse.

[Maroonthirteen]

The ncaa didn't act because their position was correct from the beginning. Ir sucks for Obannon and others that EA didn't pay them after their college years.

But the courts decided. The ncaa now allows players to earn nil within certain boundaries. However everyone is ignoring the current ncaa rules. So how is that the ncaas fault?

If the ncaa allowed nil in 2009 that just mean todays college game would have happened in 2010 and LSU buys Dak in 2013.

[LC Dawg]

You are absolutely wrong. Ed O'Bannon filed his lawsuit in 2009. The craziest part is that he was a player in the mid-90s and he was suing for NIL infringement because they used the '95 UCLA team in a 2009 video game. The suit wasn't finally ruled on until 2015 - and the NCAA had 8 f'n years to decide how to handle NIL AND THEY FAILED TO ACT. That's when the states got involved and started approving NIL legislation.

Make no mistake about it - the NCAA had every opportunity after 2009 to solve NIL and they did nothing.

Yep, and the member schools could have pushed the NCAA to do something and they did nothing. There's a lot of blame to go around.