This right here is NIL in a nut shell.

[Maverick91]

Quote from Geno Aurlemma Connecticut Women's basketball Head Coach

"How do you coach in an environment where the players feel like they owe you nothing and you owe them everything."

Couldn't have said it better.

[TrapGame]

Yeah, that's spot on.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Cry me a river. That dude makes $3m a year coaching women's basketball. He was able to obtain that because the roles were reversed for so long.

Name me one occupation where you can make that much and not have to deal with some sort of changing environment... I'll wait...

[HancockCountyDog]

Quote from Geno Aurlemma Connecticut Women's basketball Head Coach

"How do you coach in an environment where the players feel like they owe you nothing and you owe them everything."

Couldn't have said it better.

Yeah it sucks when you make 3 million a year, at least, off the sweat and effort off kids that for most of your life made nothing.

What a cock sucker.

[chef dixon]

Cry me a river. That dude makes $3m a year coaching women's basketball. He was able to obtain that because the roles were reversed for so long.

Name me one occupation where you can make that much and not have to deal with some sort of changing environment... I'll wait...

Yea and I'll just be blunt. The guy makes 3 million a year and his job provides little to no value/skill to society. Might hurt to hear, but I can't feel sorry for any of these coaches

[Maverick91]

I think you guys lost the point in getting sucked into him specifically. Also yeah, it's a lot of money to coach hoops but that's the going rate so...

College athletics is supposed to be still "developmental" these are still 18-22 year olds, there is supposed to still be this hierarchy of coach to player relationship. NIL is destroying that developmental structure of playing the game, learning at a college level, becoming a good human that when the game is over you can enter into society and add to the growth.

NIL is destroying that and it isn't good. We can sit here and say it is semipro which I agree that's what college athletics has turned into. I still don't think it is good for the overall development of these kids.

[BuckyIsAB****]

If you are defending NIL in its current state I cant help you. I dont really think you want to be helped. If you are in charge of anyone at work put yourself in that situation and tell me how you would feel. Not everyone is a victim believe it or not

[Saltydog]

Yea and I'll just be blunt. The guy makes 3 million a year and his job provides little to no value/skill to society. Might hurt to hear, but I can't feel sorry for any of these coaches

He's building future leaders and developing the lives of young women*****

[Maroonthirteen]

Cry me a river. That dude makes $3m a year coaching women's basketball. He was able to obtain that because the roles were reversed for so long.

Name me one occupation where you can make that much and not have to deal with some sort of changing environment... I'll wait...

Pretty any business you can name. UPS and FedEx CEOs make a lot more than the pilot, more than the tug driver, more than the box tosser.

[CaptainObvious]

Coaching is a profession.
Being a Professor is a profession.
Being an Administrator is a profession.
Being a College Student Athlete is not a profession.

There have been multiple opportunities for a professional minor league to be created for Basketball and Football. Baseball has one.

Wanna get paid to play sports, go into baseball until the pro leagues create a minor league. The owners have been making millions off of colleges training and developing their new hires for decades. The fans once again get screwed because they have to pay the coaches salaries, the players salaries, AND pay ridiculous ticket prices, hotel prices, concession prices, to watch them play. Our only recourse is to boycott and not attend. So then TV steps in and says no need for fans in the stands. We got you covered and have sponsors who will charge the fans more for their products so the fans can believe they are watching games for free.


I actually love Capitalism but I don't think I should pay a salary to an amateur.

[HancockCountyDog]

Pretty any business you can name. UPS and FedEx CEOs make a lot more than the pilot, more than the tug driver, more than the box tosser.

Name me any sport in the world where people come to watch an athletic event and the athletes that you come to watch don't get paid yet the people that organize the event or simply the coach that coaches the athletes get all the money.

I guess that happens in dog fighting. So that is one.

[Gutter Cobreh]

I think you guys lost the point in getting sucked into him specifically. Also yeah, it's a lot of money to coach hoops but that's the going rate so...

College athletics is supposed to be still "developmental" these are still 18-22 year olds, there is supposed to still be this hierarchy of coach to player relationship. NIL is destroying that developmental structure of playing the game, learning at a college level, becoming a good human that when the game is over you can enter into society and add to the growth.

NIL is destroying that and it isn't good. We can sit here and say it is semipro which I agree that's what college athletics has turned into. I still don't think it is good for the overall development of these kids.

Why is that the going rate? UCONN women's basketball is $600k in the hole after operating expenses. I doubt there are many women's programs that actually turn a profit. So the coach doesn't like NIL, makes $3m, and doesn't turn a profit?

Also, the highest paid WNBA player makes $264k a season. That is the top 1% and they make a fraction of the coach. Again, he isn't developing anything other than padding his pockets and then crying about how he doesn't have control any longer.

If you are defending NIL in its current state I cant help you. I dont really think you want to be helped. If you are in charge of anyone at work put yourself in that situation and tell me how you would feel. Not everyone is a victim believe it or not

NIL isn't bad. The transfer portal is what is bad. Go read the Recruiting Confidential thread by woof from The Atlantic. Even if you take it at face value, the market is only as good as what someone is willing to pay.

Pretty any business you can name. UPS and FedEx CEOs make a lot more than the pilot, more than the tug driver, more than the box tosser.

I said "changing environment". I didn't say anything about compensation for the leader vs an employee.

Coaching is a profession.
Being a Professor is a profession.
Being an Administrator is a profession.
Being a College Student Athlete is not a profession.

There have been multiple opportunities for a professional minor league to be created for Basketball and Football. Baseball has one.

Wanna get paid to play sports, go into baseball until the pro leagues create a minor league. The owners have been making millions off of colleges training and developing their new hires for decades. The fans once again get screwed because they have to pay the coaches salaries, the players salaries, AND pay ridiculous ticket prices, hotel prices, concession prices, to watch them play. Our only recourse is to boycott and not attend. So then TV steps in and says no need for fans in the stands. We got you covered and have sponsors who will charge the fans more for their products so the fans can believe they are watching games for free.


I actually love Capitalism but I don't think I should pay a salary to an amateur.

Great post! What you put can be debated.

The issue is who pays. You assume you have to pay. Why? Will it roll down to the consumer, absolutely! The problem is the environment is changing, but the structure hasn't changed. If I were leading the Athletic Dept. - we'd do the bare minimum for the sports that will never allow for profit to be made. If that means we pay grossly under for a coach or coaches, then so be it. Everyone wants to be the best at every sport, when in reality - if schools paired down their admin cost and passed that down so things were cheaper for their supporters - it's doable. How much coaching & support personnel does a sport need? Currently we have 6 for women's softball, 9 for women's basketball, and 8 for track and field. Any of those sports running neutral to budget? Are they all crying that NIL is unfair?

Football and Men's Basketball are outliers and need to be treated separately. They themselves fund the massive athletic departments and yet we get mad at some 17 yr old who simply wants a piece when they're contributing to the massive athletic department and funding these other opportunities on the non-profitable sports.

[HancockCountyDog]

If you are defending NIL in its current state I cant help you. I dont really think you want to be helped. If you are in charge of anyone at work put yourself in that situation and tell me how you would feel. Not everyone is a victim believe it or not

I don't mind someone saying that the current model isn't feasible moving forward. That is a completely accurate statement.

A coach making 3 million complaining about a player getting a fraction of that to play is just bonkers.

If he hates it so much, he can go coach High School. If he truly cares about the player and wants to coach kids that will listen and take coaching seriously, he can go coach High School. I'm sure he can get a job very easily. Of course, he will have to make about 2% of what he is making now, but then you can't put a price on coaching with integrity, right?

Its such bullshit.

If the coaches want to complain about how NIL or money is changing the landscape of college sports, they have to realize that they created this problem with their million dollar salaries and side shoe deals. The fact that the athlete wanted a little part of the money the school and coach was making off their ability is somehow a problem is just awful. Rebecca Lobo and Tauresi made Geno a millionaire. They made nothing while at UCONN. He made millions. He doesn't feel the least bit guilty? **** him.

[MetEdDawg]

I have always found it interesting that people discount concerns and complaints from people that make a lot of money. I've really never understood that.

Does anyone know what the amount of money is someone has to make before we ignore or dismiss what they say?

[LC Dawg]

I don't like NIL in the way that it is being used but it's not because it's not fair to coaches that can instantly leave behind players when they (coaches) have an opportunity to make more money. Coaches should stfu with the whining. Fans are the ones being fleeced.

[RocketDawg]

Quote from Geno Aurlemma Connecticut Women's basketball Head Coach

"How do you coach in an environment where the players feel like they owe you nothing and you owe them everything."

Couldn't have said it better.

For sure. And he's a "blue blood" coach - imagine how it is otherwise. I suppose it's a good thing the coaches are well-paid.

[HancockCountyDog]

I have always found it interesting that people discount concerns and complaints from people that make a lot of money. I've really never understood that.

Does anyone know what the amount of money is someone has to make before we ignore or dismiss what they say?

When someone in a supervisor position is being critical of people in a lesser position in the same arena, then yes the fact that Geno makes millions and most of his players have been paid nothing, yes it is an important point.

If Geno was asked about abortion, immigration, or school prayer, I wouldn't care how much money he made and wouldn't really care about his opinion.

When he decides to cry foul about how his current sport sucks because NIL and money has corrupted the soul of his virgin sport of women's basketball, then yes how much money he makes is absolutely and completely relevant. He sure didn't mind cashing his checks off the backs of his players, now he has a problem with those same players getting a fraction of the money that he received. So yeah, the money matters.

[HancockCountyDog]

For sure. And he's a "blue blood" coach - imagine how it is otherwise. I suppose it's a good thing the coaches are well-paid.

"How do you coach in an environment where the players feel like they owe you nothing and you owe them everything."

Yet for years it was:

"How do you play in an environment where the coaches feel like they owe you nothing and you owe them everything."

And that was ok.

The coaches aren't being held hostage, they don't have to stay in the sport. In the immortal words of Dan Hawkins "Go coach intramurals brother". Nobody is putting a gun to Geno's head. If he doesn't like it, go coach intramurals, coach high school, or go coach at the YMCA, they are always looking for volunteers.

This is all about power. The players have some and coaches don't like it. Well either adjust to the new reality or go coach intramurals brother.

[Extendedcab]

I don't mind someone saying that the current model isn't feasible moving forward. That is a completely accurate statement.

A coach making 3 million complaining about a player getting a fraction of that to play is just bonkers.

If he hates it so much, he can go coach High School. If he truly cares about the player and wants to coach kids that will listen and take coaching seriously, he can go coach High School. I'm sure he can get a job very easily. Of course, he will have to make about 2% of what he is making now, but then you can't put a price on coaching with integrity, right?

Its such bullshit.

If the coaches want to complain about how NIL or money is changing the landscape of college sports, they have to realize that they created this problem with their million dollar salaries and side shoe deals. The fact that the athlete wanted a little part of the money the school and coach was making off their ability is somehow a problem is just awful. Rebecca Lobo and Tauresi made Geno a millionaire. They made nothing while at UCONN. He made millions. He doesn't feel the least bit guilty? **** him.

Lets apply your logic to Elite Dawgs and lets say you and a handful of other posters are the reason, due to your inside MSU sports knowledge, the board draws a lot of subscribers and lets say Elite Dawgs management is making a ton of money off of these subscribers due to payments from advertisers and references from other publications. Are you now wanting to be paid? Elite Dawgs pays the costs of hardware infrastructure, bulletin board software, electricity, computer room rental, storage costs, poster's behavior monitoring and system management costs. It is their system, free to use by others, but now you want to be paid because you and a handful of other posters feel important and want your cut of the revenue? That is ludicrous as you are only an amateur poster spouting your opinion and what ever source of inside knowledge you may have. You are not employed by Elite Dawgs. You are not a professional as posting is not your full time job nor how you make your living.

You are also getting a benefit from being a member of this board as other posters provide information you may not have but yet you want to be paid!

Same for college and athletics, the students are amateurs (or they were) where sports are just an extracurricular activity sponsored by the university. Student athletes benefit from getting a free education and a butt load of other perks, but now due to money from TV rights, everybody wants a cut!

This is insane and is destroying college athletics!


ETA:

Nobody is forcing student athletics to go to college just like nobody is forcing you to post on this board; it is purely your choice! If student athletes are good enough why not go directly into the pros?

[HancockCountyDog]

Lets apply your logic to Elite Dawgs and lets say you and a handful of other posters are the reason, due to your inside MSU sports knowledge, the board draws a lot of subscribers and lets say Elite Dawgs management is making a ton of money off of these subscribers due to payments from advertisers and references from other publications. Are you now wanting to be paid? Elite Dawgs pays the costs of hardware infrastructure, bulletin board software, electricity, computer room rental, storage costs, poster's behavior monitoring and system management costs. It is their system, free to use by others, but now you want to be paid because you and a handful of other posters feel important and want your cut of the revenue? That is ludicrous as you are only an amateur poster spouting your opinion and what ever source of inside knowledge you may have. You are not employed by Elite Dawgs. You are not a professional as posting is not your full time job nor how you make your living.

You are also getting a benefit from being a member of this board as other posters provide information you may not have but yet you want to be paid!

Same for college and athletics, the students are amateurs (or they were) where sports are just an extracurricular activity sponsored by the university. Student athletes benefit from getting a free education and a butt load of other perks, but now due to money from TV rights, everybody wants a cut!

This is insane and is destroying college athletics!


ETA:

Nobody is forcing student athletics to go to college just like nobody is forcing you to post on this board; it is purely your choice! If student athletes are good enough why not go directly into the pros?

Such a terrible analogy, because ED will survive and whether I post or not doesn't matter to ED. I have no leverage. I have no power to do anything than stop posting here.

That is not how college athletics work. If geno lets the best players or in your analogy posters walk, well then his program suffers and therefore he stops making as much money. So he can tell his school that he isn't going to recruit players that want NIL deals and he is only going after players that want to play for a scholarship while he cashes his 3 million dollar check.

Lets see how long he is employed with that strategy. Same length of time Lebby would be employed if he took that position. He would be fired in minutes.