The Final CFP Rankings

[Quaoarsking]

Professional sports don't award playoff spots subjectively

Exactly.

[Quaoarsking]

Imagine how awesome this would be.

[Roy Munson]

Well I wasn’t arguing anything, initially. I was simply pointing out that everyone seems to be making this about fsu and bama when a 1 loss Texas is ahead of fsu too. That’s fact. What you then argued is not. We can play scenarios all you want but the fact of the matter is 2 one loss teams are ahead of fsu.

I honestly don’t give a shit so I’m doing arguing about it. I just found it strange that nobody here and not 1 commentator mentioned this because if you say that an undefeated conference champion should be in regardless, then they should be in regardless over ANY 1 loss team. As it stands, they weren’t in vs 2 one loss teams, so the point is moot.

[dawgday166]

Lots of debate LOL.

The CFP was created after 2013 Kick Six game AU won over Bammer. Bammer only had that one loss.

The CFP was created the very next year, eliminating the BCS type computer algorithms based on performance metrics, a "committee of respected individuals" (cough, cough) was tasked with determining who the "best 4" were, and the "eye test" became a thing.

IMO, all that was done to ensure a 1 loss Bammer team had a shot at the National Title. That's the primary objective of the CFP and its committee.

Since then, a 1 loss Bama team has never missed the playoffs. But Kirby just did with only 1 loss.

I personally preferred the BCS. The committee is a joke IMO.

[msstate7]

Imagine how awesome this would be.

Still subjective

[TUSK]

Lots of debate LOL.

The CFP was created after 2013 Kick Six game AU won over Bammer. Bammer only had that one loss.

The CFP was created the very next year, eliminating the BCS type computer algorithms based on performance metrics, a "committee of respected individuals" (cough, cough) was tasked with determining who the "best 4" were, and the "eye test" became a thing.

IMO, all that was done to ensure a 1 loss Bammer team had a shot at the National Title. That's the primary objective of the CFP and its committee.

Since then, a 1 loss Bama team has never missed the playoffs. But Kirby just did with only 1 loss.

I personally preferred the BCS. The committee is a joke IMO.

[Quaoarsking]

Still subjective

I too support moving to a committee-less objective system, but I won't let that stop me from applauding an improvement to the current bad system.

[Quaoarsking]

Lots of debate LOL.

The CFP was created after 2013 Kick Six game AU won over Bammer. Bammer only had that one loss.

The CFP was created the very next year, eliminating the BCS type computer algorithms based on performance metrics, a "committee of respected individuals" (cough, cough) was tasked with determining who the "best 4" were, and the "eye test" became a thing.

IMO, all that was done to ensure a 1 loss Bammer team had a shot at the National Title. That's the primary objective of the CFP and its committee.

Since then, a 1 loss Bama team has never missed the playoffs. But Kirby just did with only 1 loss.

I personally preferred the BCS. The committee is a joke IMO.

The CFP was already in the works for several years before 2014. It wasn't a response to anything that happened in 2013. In fact, back in 2013, people were already clamoring for the NCAA to go ahead and adopt it early, just like a lot of us wish the 12-team format could come early.

[dawgday166]

The CFP was already in the works for several years before 2014. It wasn't a response to anything that happened in 2013. In fact, back in 2013, people were already clamoring for the NCAA to go ahead and adopt it early, just like a lot of us wish the 12-team format could come early.

Relative to 4 team playoff you're right. Not sure about the structure of choosing teams or criteria tho.

ETA: I do know this ... Since 2017 I've known that you might as well book a 1 loss Bama team into the CFP.

[Coach34]

The committee was put in place to make sure the best teams made it in. Today that worked. Today Fla State is not one of the 4 best teams.

[Cowbell]

You could say the same as Ohio State

but Ohio state doesn't have Saban

[dawgday166]

The committee was put in place to make sure the best teams made it in. Today that worked. Today Fla State is not one of the 4 best teams.

Did it? Why ain't Georgia in? Go look at Washington's defensive stats.

ETA: And the committee showed tons of integrity by still ranking Ga below FSU in final poll. It's a joke.

I'm also pretty sure there has never been a #1 team fall that far in the rankings after being undefeated and losing a close championship game like GA did. At least no SEC team has.

[Activated Alpha]

but Ohio state doesn't have Saban

Yeah that is one of the very few reasons I could see Bama being an outright winner against Michigan. Saban is just that good at coaching and motivating. Everything else considered, Michigan is better at or it's even

[Coach34]

Did it? Why ain't Georgia in? Go look at Washington's defensive stats.

ETA: And the committee showed tons of integrity by still ranking Ga below FSU in final poll. It's a joke.

I'm also pretty sure there has never been a #1 team fall that far in the rankings after being undefeated and losing a close championship game like GA did. At least no SEC team has.

Washington still has their QB. Fla State doesnt. End of story

[dawgday166]

Washington still has their QB. Fla State doesnt. End of story

Doesn't mean they're better than GA. Also, GA still has their QB and they're ranked below FSU.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Have you watched them since the injury?

If Milroe gets hurt in practice between now and the playoff are they going to sub Georgia in?

Ya know subjectively I think MSU should be in a bowl game. We played Ole Miss a pretty good game and held Arkansas to 3 points. Ark scored 21 on Bama and almost beat them. Records and actual results be damned. Think that can get us a bid?

The playoff committee and selection process is awful. It was better when teams just played their tie in bowl games and the media decided.

This is shameful

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

The thing about the "best 4 teams" is that

1) why play the games if we can just ignore record when it's all said and done?

2) If record doesn't matter, why should fans or players give a crap about wins? College football is more dramatic than the NFL precisely because we believe every game matters.

3) there's a whooooool lot of ways to determine who's "best". Vegas thought Oregon was better than Washington. The playoff committee themselves have often put a team at #4 and that team wound up winning the natty- if the committee was perfect their #1 seed would always win. At the end of the day saying "we select the 4 best teams" = "we do whatever gets the best ratings". They do not know who the best 4 teams are anymore than the AP does.

4) as already mentioned in this thread, if you're going to punish teams for injuries then teams and players will lie about said injuries. That's worse for the players and fans and Vegas.

FSU had the better record. FSU destroyed LSU under tougher conditions than Bama. Bama struggled vs some awful teams. FSU won their games even without Travis. All Bama has over FSU is "best win"

Like really though, all this decision does is say "we pick who we want, on field results do not matter"

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

The committee was put in place to make sure the best teams made it in. Today that worked. Today Fla State is not one of the 4 best teams.

If 2 plays go differently for Bama this year they could have been 9-3, and if the refs review the fourth down completion that led to the TD before half they lose.

If Bama was 9-3 would they still be one of the best team? It's 2 plays. OR are you saying that results on the field actually matter? Because FSU is perfect. Alabama is not.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If 2 plays go differently for Bama this year they could have been 9-3, and if the refs review the fourth down completion that led to the TD before half they lose.

If Bama was 9-3 would they still be one of the best team? It's 2 plays. OR are you saying that results on the field actually matter? Because FSU is perfect. Alabama is not.

Well said.

[TUSK]

Washington still has their QB. Fla State doesnt. End of story

Yep. I don't have a lot of sympathy for FSU.

In '91, they were invited to join the SEC and declined. Bobby Bowden is on record saying that it would be too difficult to win a NC in the SEC and that it'd be easier in the ACC (which is true).

Additionally, last year, FSU's AD was 1 of only 3 ADs to vote against expanding the CFP to 12 teams.

So, if ya have a problem with FSU not making the CFP, take it up with FSU.