Just a reminder to all you guys

[CoachT14]

This is where the binary nature of "guilty / not guilty" doesn't paint you a picture. To answer your question, no Lebby has not stood trial and been "cleared". By all accounts, there is no coach at Baylor from 2012-2015 that is "clear". That would mean proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that person did everything they could right. That's not feasible and you would be right in saying that's an unfair standard to hold someone to.

Our legal system instead looks to prove someone guilty (rather than innocent) beyond a shadow of a doubt. This means that if it's black (guilty) then it's black. If it's white then it's white. If it's gray then it's white. Every coach is firmly in the gray area at best. Art's had a couple of lawsuits where he's been dark grey but since it's not black it's white. Baylor has settled several other cases.

It goes further then for the public opinion to make their decision. Do you want to sit on morals and trust in black and white? That's your right. And Lebby has not ever been proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

But double digit women have come forward and reported the rape-enablement and encouragement culture at Baylor. Meanwhile Jeff consistently PUBLICLY defends Art. It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw where Lebby stands morally in the wake of this. He dismisses the seriousness of what happened. He avidly defends his father in law for having done nothing wrong when Baylor has paid several women for their silence.

You can call my logic taking a leap. But I'm not a court of law. I'm a person with common sense. I won't have my
daughter go near Ole Miss, OU, UCF, SeLa, Baylor, or any other school that let a known wolf into their house who was part of that culture. No one should have to experience the profound pain that occurs when being raped. It's not a joke. It's not something to dismiss.

Jeff Lebby has consistently dismissed and downplayed the significance of what happened. I have 0 faith in his ability to lead young men to become good men. Football is important. Some things are more important.

Lol

[DEDawg]

This is where the binary nature of "guilty / not guilty" doesn't paint you a picture. To answer your question, no Lebby has not stood trial and been "cleared". By all accounts, there is no coach at Baylor from 2012-2015 that is "clear". That would mean proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that person did everything they could right. That's not feasible and you would be right in saying that's an unfair standard to hold someone to.

Our legal system instead looks to prove someone guilty (rather than innocent) beyond a shadow of a doubt. This means that if it's black (guilty) then it's black. If it's white then it's white. If it's gray then it's white. Every coach is firmly in the gray area at best. Art's had a couple of lawsuits where he's been dark grey but since it's not black it's white. Baylor has settled several other cases.

It goes further then for the public opinion to make their decision. Do you want to sit on morals and trust in black and white? That's your right. And Lebby has not ever been proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

But double digit women have come forward and reported the rape-enablement and encouragement culture at Baylor. Meanwhile Jeff consistently PUBLICLY defends Art. It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw where Lebby stands morally in the wake of this. He dismisses the seriousness of what happened. He avidly defends his father in law for having done nothing wrong when Baylor has paid several women for their silence.

You can call my logic taking a leap. But I'm not a court of law. I'm a person with common sense. I won't have my
daughter go near Ole Miss, OU, UCF, SeLa, Baylor, or any other school that let a known wolf into their house who was part of that culture. No one should have to experience the profound pain that occurs when being raped. It's not a joke. It's not something to dismiss.

Jeff Lebby has consistently dismissed and downplayed the significance of what happened. I have 0 faith in his ability to lead young men to become good men. Football is important. Some things are more important.

I did not read all this, but just an FYI your proclamation about the legal system is incorrect. Read up on civil vs criminal and the concept of ?proving someone guilty? because your post is fundamentally full of incorrect information

[bulldawg28]

He didn't bring Art Briles onto the sideline until the 4th one though, and he better on his 5th if that's us. As long as he understands that, it should be fine.

This is football not politics. Art wasn't involved or he'd be prosecuted. You have school admins, teachers, pastors, even friends who break the code of ethics & morals daily yet are still hired. Again, this is football. Leach locked players in rooms and called players all sorts of names. Lane is battling millions in a lawsuit over what he's said and done to a player, why are you not screaming about that?

This is a game called football not Bethel Chapel.

[Quaoarsking]

This is football not politics. Art wasn't involved or he'd be prosecuted. You have school admins, teachers, pastors, even friends who break the code of ethics & morals daily yet are still hired. Again, this is football. Leach locked players in rooms and called players all sorts of names. Lane is battling millions in a lawsuit over what he's said and done to a player, why are you not screaming about that?

This is a game called football not Bethel Chapel.

Well in my opinion bullying rape victims and covering up the crimes is worse than anything Leach or Kiffin ever did.

[confucius say]

If at least 5 guys don't turn us down, then we didn't set our sights high enough to start. That should be the case every coaching search.

[EdwardDrayton]

There's always more than one answer to these sorts of problems. Very few schools get their top choice. Lane wasn't OM top choice but it's worked. Look at Auburn, A&M, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, etc. It happens

Yeah but we're talking at least five down the list.

[EdwardDrayton]

If at least 5 guys don't turn us down, then we didn't set our sights high enough to start. That should be the case every coaching search.

We need to fix why five guys are turning us down. Didn't happen with OM and they're dancing back to back ten win seasons. We're getting our ass handed to us.

[Tater]

Do you think it's time for someone to pull a Clay Travis and lead a fan revolt?

I'm hoping Brandon Walker does.

[CoachT14]

I'm hoping Brandon Walker does.

Brandon loves him some Lebby. Looks like your feverish dream of that happening went out like a dud.

[Tater]

Brandon loves him some Lebby. Looks like your feverish dream of that happening went out like a dud.

Go look yourself in the mirror and question why you're trying to belittle and mock rape. Seriously. It's repugnant.

[CoachT14]

Go look yourself in the mirror and question why you're trying to belittle and mock rape. Seriously. It's repugnant.

No one is belittling it. You?re the one using hyperbole and outright lies cause it?s obviously a sore topic for you. Maybe you should get off the message board for awhile till you cool off.

[KOdawg1]

Lol at some of y'all. Lebby has worked at 4 schools since the Baylor stuff and nothing has been an issue for them. He's been cleared by 4 schools, including our in-state rival, and has done nothing but kill it on his side of the ball.

Would I have liked to have hired a sitting HC? Maybe. But I think that is overvalued. Was Kirby Smart a HC before? Dan Lanning? Dan Mullen? Ryan Day?

Lebby is no more of a risk than a mid G5 HC would be.

[Quaoarsking]

Lol at some of y'all. Lebby has worked at 4 schools since the Baylor stuff and nothing has been an issue for them. He's been cleared by 4 schools, including our in-state rival, and has done nothing but kill it on his side of the ball.

Would I have liked to have hired a sitting HC? Maybe. But I think that is overvalued. Was Kirby Smart a HC before? Dan Lanning? Dan Mullen? Ryan Day?

Lebby is no more of a risk than a mid G5 HC would be.

It was an issue this year when he had Briles on the sideline and then got super defensive about it when asked.

[EdwardDrayton]

Lol at some of y'all. Lebby has worked at 4 schools since the Baylor stuff and nothing has been an issue for them. He's been cleared by 4 schools, including our in-state rival, and has done nothing but kill it on his side of the ball.

Would I have liked to have hired a sitting HC? Maybe. But I think that is overvalued. Was Kirby Smart a HC before? Dan Lanning? Dan Mullen? Ryan Day?

Lebby is no more of a risk than a mid G5 HC would be.

If indeed it is him, there's no way around it. We're settling. And that is not acceptable.

[bulldawg28]

Well in my opinion bullying rape victims and covering up the crimes is worse than anything Leach or Kiffin ever did.

How can a coach cover up rape? Let's be honest if he really did those things he would be prosecuted. The university took the easy road and tried to avoid the PR nightmare. I'm not saying he could have done more but he's not above the law or a police officer.

I'm basing this from the premise if my black @** did anything remotely close id be under the prison. This is why I have my doubts on the actuals of the situation.

[KOdawg1]

If indeed it is him, there's no way around it. We're settling. And that is not acceptable.

Nah, I disagree.

When we fired Arnett, Vegas odds had Lebby as the second most likely hire behind Chadwell. We have no idea what Selmon's board looks like, so you don't have a clue if we're settling or not.

[KOdawg1]

It was an issue this year when he had Briles on the sideline and then got super defensive about it when asked.

Yeah, that was dumb. Not a "non-hirable" offense though.

As long as he keeps Art away (or at least out of sight), it won't be an issue

[BeardoMSU]

It was an issue this year when he had Briles on the sideline and then got super defensive about it when asked.

And I'm sure we'll insist/require he doesn't do that here...

[EdwardDrayton]

Nah, I disagree.

When we fired Arnett, Vegas odds had Lebby as the second most likely hire behind Chadwell. We have no idea what Selmon's board looks like, so you don't have a clue if we're settling or not.

We can all see who the options are and what value each has. We most certainly can evaluate which ones are better than others. What chances Vegas says we have at getting someone is irrelevant. Other than to say we're incapable of getting who we should.

[CadaverDawg]

Rumored that Lebby is the guy, and will be headed to Starkville tonight.