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    Do the elitedawgs think..

    We have any chance whatsoever of these guys:

    1. Lance Leipold
    2. Chris Klieman
    3. Matt Campbell
    4. Mike Elko

    If not, explain why

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    Matt Campbell would be the best chance.

    Leipold's contract, buyout and the fact he is set up to to take a big program makes him the least likely by far.

    Klieman similar to Leipold but a lower buyout. He would be next unlikely.

    Elko I think waits until he gets the job he wants, it maybe this year but he could wait for a larger program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    We have any chance whatsoever of these guys:

    1. Lance Leipold
    2. Chris Klieman
    3. Matt Campbell
    4. Mike Elko

    If not, explain why
    No. All are already making millions and have their programs in better shape than ours with an easier path to the Playoff. With no ties to this area or our school, there is no reason for them to disrupt their lives and the lives of their staff for a lateralish or maybe a slight upward move (or slight downward for Klieman, if we're being honest), to take over a rebuild at one of the hardest jobs in the SEC for maybe just slightly more money.

    Very rarely do non-elite schools hire a sitting P5 HC. When it happens the guy is quirky, or returning "home", or is in hot water at his current gig. None of those guys fit the criteria. If they want to move they could wait for a top 15ish job, of which we are not. Even "bigger" programs most often have to hire a G5 HC or a P5 coordinator (Georgia, FSU, Texas, OK, Auburn, Tennessee, Oregon, etc).

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    Leipold and Kleiman would be no brainers if there is return interest, which there may be a bit. Campbell is probably the best chance at picking one of those names off. Elko is biding his time for a much bigger job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg View Post
    No. All are already making millions and have their programs in better shape than ours with an easier path to the Playoff. With no ties to this area or our school, there is no reason for them to disrupt their lives and the lives of their staff for a lateralish or maybe a slight upward move (or slight downward for Klieman, if we're being honest), to take over a rebuild at one of the hardest jobs in the SEC for maybe just slightly more money.

    Very rarely do non-elite schools hire a sitting P5 HC. When it happens the guy is quirky, or returning "home", or is in hot water at his current gig. None of those guys fit the criteria. If they want to move they could wait for a top 15ish job, of which we are not. Even "bigger" programs most often have to hire a G5 HC or a P5 coordinator (Georgia, FSU, Texas, OK, Auburn, Tennessee, Oregon, etc).
    Pretty good post here. I'm too lazy, what are each of these guys making? I know the other MSU is targeting at least 2 of these 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    We have any chance whatsoever of these guys:

    1. Lance Leipold - With what it would take to buy him out and pay him $7mil/year, it's probably too big a pill to swallow
    2. Chris Klieman - "
    3. Matt Campbell - "
    4. Mike Elko - No idea

    If not, explain why
    All of them would come, but would it be a price we are willing to pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    We have any chance whatsoever of these guys:

    1. Lance Leipold
    2. Chris Klieman
    3. Matt Campbell
    4. Mike Elko

    If not, explain why
    I think the first one should asked the question, why would they leave their current position to come here? Then you get a viable list.

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    Why in the world would we need any of those guys when we have Big Game Bob on standby.
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    Would not not want Campbell
    6-12 in last 18 against P5 teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    Pretty good post here. I'm too lazy, what are each of these guys making? I know the other MSU is targeting at least 2 of these 4.
    We would have to pay around $9 MIL to beat Leipold's remaining contract with a $12.5 MIL buyout. Klieman we would have to go to about $10 MIL to just match his remaining contract with a $6 MIL buyout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandjunky View Post
    Would not not want Campbell
    6-12 in last 18 against P5 teams
    Dude, he is the first coach since Earle Bruce in the mid 70's to even have a .500 record or better there. Their history and resources are worse than ours. He's done a very good job at ISU

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    Campbell is on the hot seat at ISU. Why would anyone want him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    We have any chance whatsoever of these guys:

    1. Lance Leipold
    2. Chris Klieman
    3. Matt Campbell
    4. Mike Elko

    If not, explain why
    1. Midwest guy most of his career. Certainly possible I think
    2. Nope
    3. Maybe. Just depends if he wants to make a move. He's not ever going to win big there and he knows it.
    4. Yes

    Funny that 3 of the 4 you named are defensive guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by civildawg View Post
    Campbell is on the hot seat at ISU. Why would anyone want him?
    He is one of the targets for Michigan State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viverlibre View Post
    All of them would come, but would it be a price we are willing to pay?
    no. no they wouldn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    no. no they wouldn't
    ^^^This^^^

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    Wish we had that 35 million that got pumped into the Hump.

    Can't worry too much about buyouts or saving a million or 2. The cost of another bad hire would end up being more in the long run.

    Got to get the football program right. Selmon has to go in with a great package but it has to be more than numbers. He needs to sell a vision for what we want to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg View Post
    No. All are already making millions and have their programs in better shape than ours with an easier path to the Playoff. With no ties to this area or our school, there is no reason for them to disrupt their lives and the lives of their staff for a lateralish or maybe a slight upward move (or slight downward for Klieman, if we're being honest), to take over a rebuild at one of the hardest jobs in the SEC for maybe just slightly more money.

    Very rarely do non-elite schools hire a sitting P5 HC. When it happens the guy is quirky, or returning "home", or is in hot water at his current gig. None of those guys fit the criteria. If they want to move they could wait for a top 15ish job, of which we are not. Even "bigger" programs most often have to hire a G5 HC or a P5 coordinator (Georgia, FSU, Texas, OK, Auburn, Tennessee, Oregon, etc).
    You just listed 4 guys that have as much job security as any 4 coaches in the country. They are all good coaches at schools that will give them plenty of rope to struggle in the event of a down season or even two. SEC schools don't do that. Two maybe, one bad season is all it takes to get fired from an SEC school.

    We are looking to fire someone after less than a year. Justified or not, that is going to give coaches like the four you listed reason to not jump. Klieman just signed a massive extension so that is silly. Leipold is one of the hottest names in the country, he signed a nice extension last year paying him close to 5 million per year and an 8 figure buyout. Campbell has turned down better jobs than ours recently, and he went 7-6 in 2021, 4-8 in 2022, and most likely going 6-6 this year. I think he is a good coach, but 17-20 in your last three years doesn't jump off the screen.

    If you are Elko, I don't see why you leave for us. You have ties to A&M and Notre Dame. You could also just stay at Duke and have as much rope as you want to build a program. He would obviously be a home run hire for us, but I just don't see why he would do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    no. no they wouldn't
    $10/$11 mil/year, they'd come. Erryone has a price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viverlibre View Post
    $10/$11 mil/year, they'd come. Erryone has a price.
    We dont have that kind of money
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