How about an AR Cult update?

[Goldendawg]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

The air raid sucked. Our offense under Leach was boring and inefficient. I loved Leach the man, but I didn't love his offense.

That being said....I never wanted to replace him with Zach freaking Arnett.

If given the choice, I would have never wanted the Air Raid OR the Barbay offense, bc they both stink. The Barbay offense just somehow stinks much worse.

Don't leave out the JoMo O. Shira, Felker, Croom & JoMo, time we caught a break on hiring a good HC. We should be better than this on and off the field.

[dawgday166]

It somehow stinks worse because we have no offensive identity. There is never anything to build off of from week to week. We run some wide zone and some of the slowest developing sweeps and reverses I have ever seen in my life. And I don't know what the hell the reverse shovel pass looking abomination of a play was supposed to be that we ran.

And contrary to the promises in the offseason we do not put our best 11 on the field. And that prevents us from getting production from guys like Creed or maximizing Justin Robinson. Sure, maybe Leach had Tulu out of position but at least he was actually on the field somewhere the majority of the time. Then we have some people blaming recruiting when we're not even putting our best guys out there?

We also don't attack deep in this offense either. I think Will was only like 2-3 passes ahead of where he was last year in that category compared to last year at the time he was injured.

Basically Woody McBarbay's offense is running around doing shifts and finding overcomplicated ways to hand the ball off. It's Croom with a lot of window dressing out of the shotgun.

I love all the damn reverses and double reverses we keep trying that every suck ass D we face look like they knew it was coming 2 plays before we tried it LOL.


Napkins at Two Brothers after several rounds of beer SMH Gotta get to Two Brothers for strategy sessions.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch the stupid, no talent players are in shorter duration practices and not getting the additional drills and reps they should be getting.

[Todd4State]

I love all the damn reverses and double reverses we keep trying that every suck ass D we face look like they knew it was coming 2 plays before we tried it LOL.


Napkins at Two Brothers after several rounds of beer SMH Gotta get to Two Brothers for strategy sessions.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch the stupid, no talent players are in shorter duration practices and not getting the additional drills and reps they should be getting.

I don't have a problem at all with jet sweeps, end around, and reverses but they do need to be well executed. I actually wish Leach ran more of those than he did.

The biggest issues we have currently with them is:

1. We probably run too many of them. It's a long developing play even if it is well executed so an element of surprise helps.

2. We don't block very well and sometimes our guys run into each other.

3. We sometimes run them when we shouldn't like in the red zone when we know the other team is likely going to be blitzing hard.

I don't like the short practices. Every now and then? Sure. But consistently it's probably not a good idea.

[Lord McBuckethead]

We scored 3 pts at home against Kentucky.
That 3 points took a 20 play drive.

Give me the air raid.

[R2Dawg]

1. The air raid sucks
2. Arnett and Barbay's offense, the WTFAWED offense (what the F are we even doing) is even worse
3. Most fans with a brain prefer neither, and are actually the ones being proven right.

Cadaver you are correct again. Just because our O sucks now doesn't mean the AR is great or would work.

Fact is AR sucks, what we are doing now sucks mostly because we don't have the players and worst coaching job in America.

Fans attacking each other spiking the football makes the MSU fanbase the most ignorant in college sports. Please quit making us all look bad.

[R2Dawg]

We scored 3 pts at home against Kentucky.
That 3 points took a 20 play drive.

Give me the air raid.

You mean the one that has a .333 winning % against UK? That put up 0 in Lexington that year? Yeah right.

[Goldendawg]

I don't have a problem at all with jet sweeps, end around, and reverses but they do need to be well executed. I actually wish Leach ran more of those than he did.

The biggest issues we have currently with them is:

1. We probably run too many of them. It's a long developing play even if it is well executed so an element of surprise helps.

2. We don't block very well and sometimes our guys run into each other.

3. We sometimes run them when we shouldn't like in the red zone when we know the other team is likely going to be blitzing hard.

I don't like the short practices. Every now and then? Sure. But consistently it's probably not a good idea.

Point 2, we need more OL coaches. Two does not seem to be enough.

[Santiago]

You're worse than the people that love the AR. We literally have some of the worst fans and it's not close.

This!
It is definitely an indication of a mindset of a portion of our fans

[dawgday166]

Delete

[KB21]

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...l?platform=amp

The Air Raid is alive and still thriving. The fact that Mike Leach changed the way the game is played and is on the Mt Rushmore for offensive coaches must chap some asses on here.

I will always respect coaches who came up with new ways of playing offense and got the football world away from the he dinosaur days of offensive football.

[Saltydog]

Bam, Head shot......Instant kill........

[KB21]

"The Air Raid is not an offense," TCU coach Sonny Dykes said. "The Air Raid is a way of life."

"It's a mentality," Riley said, "more than a collection of plays."

[Santiago]

I love all the damn reverses and double reverses we keep trying that every suck ass D we face look like they knew it was coming 2 plays before we tried it LOL.


Napkins at Two Brothers after several rounds of beer SMH Gotta get to Two Brothers for strategy sessions.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch the stupid, no talent players are in shorter duration practices and not getting the additional drills and reps they should be getting.

The reverses are becoming the "Holloway up the middle" predictability.

[dawgday166]

You mean the one that has a .333 winning % against UK? That put up 0 in Lexington that year? Yeah right.

You mean in Leach's and AR's 3rd game ever at MSU, without a spring install, in Will's 1st start ever due to injuries, as a true Freshman on the road in a very hostile environment? The night everyone on this board melted down because how bad our offense sucked? And now that same excuse is being given for last night's debacle?

Leach won 4 SEC games each of the last 2 years. Mullen only won more the 4 one time. He won 4 four times, and 2 one time too. Last year we lost to the #5, #9, #11, #33 ranked Scoring Ds and beat the #1 Scoring D in a Bowl game. That's a lot tougher competition by far than what we're facing this year.

Context matters. But whatever ... folks gonna keep arguing it forever. And the coaching hire will probably not work out well either.

[Santiago]

How many teams are winning with their back-up QB?

Wait , so you intentionally use Wisconsin offense knowing their starter is out and it is the first year in the system without WRs, and Locke is starting as a redshirt freshman......then you defend MSU saying we have a backup playing.
We all see you and others around the Bryan building have an issue with it.

[R2Dawg]

You mean in Leach's and AR's 3rd game ever at MSU, without a spring install, in Will's 1st start ever due to injuries, as a true Freshman on the road in a very hostile environment? The night everyone on this board melted down because how bad our offense sucked? And now that same excuse is being given for last night's debacle?

Leach won 4 SEC games each of the last 2 years. Mullen only won more the 4 one time. He won 4 four times, and 2 one time too. Last year we lost to the #5, #9, #11, #33 ranked Scoring Ds and beat the #1 Scoring D in a Bowl game. That's a lot tougher competition by far than what we're facing this year.

Context matters. But whatever ... folks gonna keep arguing it forever. And the coaching hire will probably not work out well either.

Oh, you mean Leach gets a pass for 1st year but no other HC or team or O does? Oh I see.

Oh and we have injuries now too but Oh you don't count that now do you. Oh I see.

If the AR worked so great we wouldn't be debating this.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Oh, you mean Leach gets a pass for 1st year but no other HC or team or O does? Oh I see.

Oh and we have injuries now too but Oh you don't count that now do you. Oh I see.

If the AR worked so great we wouldn't be debating this.

Just a horrible attempt. 9 and 4.... I will take it.

[msudawg1200]

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

The air raid sucked. Our offense under Leach was boring and inefficient. I loved Leach the man, but I didn't love his offense.

That being said....I never wanted to replace him with Zach freaking Arnett.

If given the choice, I would have never wanted the Air Raid OR the Barbay offense, bc they both stink. The Barbay offense just somehow stinks much worse.

This is the correct answer for most that are conidered by the C34 knob slobbers as the "AR Cult"

[dawgday166]

Oh, you mean Leach gets a pass for 1st year but no other HC or team or O does? Oh I see.

Oh and we have injuries now too but Oh you don't count that now do you. Oh I see.

If the AR worked so great we wouldn't be debating this.

That's not what I'm saying. Here's some of the things I have taken into consideration: 1) The board went into complete meltdown mode that night when Will started his first game as a FR in Lexington. Everyone was irate about it. A few of us tried to point out all the adversity that team had faced and were shouted down. 2020 was not a normal year by any stretch of the imagination. And that was on top of the dumpster fire Leach inherited and Leach having a very young overall team 2) The same folks that melted down that night are now trying to make one excuse after under much less adverse conditions. ZA didn't inherit a dumpster fire where the inmates were running the asylum, he has no Covid BS to deal with, there was a solid culture in place and he has very experienced football team. Leach also face some of the injury issues that ZA may be facing now.

Not only that, we saw improvement as the season went along with Leach. We scrapped hard with UGA, and showed some other solid flashes.

Overall with Leach, we were moving in the right direction and winning games. The whole mantra for promoting Zach to HC was to not take such a huge step back and a lot of promises were made about that and then actions were taken that did just the opposite.

Bottom line tho is Leach was a divisive character. Regardless of what people say about having "never said they hated Leach", they had preconceived opinions about him long before he ever stepped foot on our campus as HC. I did too ... and Spiderman, who never shows up to this board anymore, convinced me to check Leach out more thoroughly and when I did, I liked about every video I watched and Leach's approach and culture. His teams hit people, were tough, and physical. My mind changed about Leach.

Doesn't mean I didn't think we need to improve things under Leach either but just look at Parson the other night. Way too early to tell but he has talent, can run, has nimble feet, strong arm, etc. I saw where Leach was trying to improve and while he's doing that he's still winning 4 SEC games each of the last 2 years and 8 overall reg season games last year.

People say he recruited bad and maybe that's so, but his rankings are the same as we've always had as a general rule. We seem light on Jrs but that also was the year all the recruiting was done via Zoom for the most part. No one takes that into consideration.

So the main point is: The ones making excuses now and begging for more time had a preconceived idea about Leach, his offense, etc. And they pounced every time, there was a misstep in the offense. When we won convincingly or had big comebacks ... crickets. We had a bad game and/or lost ... piranhas. And now ... begging for patience with a HC that was here with Leach, inherited a very mature team, and yet trashed the Leach entire culture for the most part. ZA and this staff inherited one of the better situations any new HC will inherit.

It's all a moot point now except the product on the field anyway. Which is about as bad if not worse than Croom level.

ETA: Leach the man is dead, his AR doesn't exist anymore, and if the folks running things now wanna keep bashing him, his AR, and then making him the sole reason for everything they're doing wrong that produce the results we're currently seeing on the field, so be it. Of course now they're reaching for other reasons like NIL and such. I imagine that will continue from here on out.

[Homedawg]

That's not what I'm saying. Here's some of the things I have taken into consideration: 1) The board went into complete meltdown mode that night when Will started his first game as a FR in Lexington. Everyone was irate about it. A few of us tried to point out all the adversity that team had faced and were shouted down. 2020 was not a normal year by any stretch of the imagination. And that was on top of the dumpster fire Leach inherited and Leach having a very young overall team 2) The same folks that melted down that night are now trying to make one excuse after under much less adverse conditions. ZA didn't inherit a dumpster fire where the inmates were running the asylum, he has no Covid BS to deal with, there was a solid culture in place and he has very experienced football team. Leach also face some of the injury issues that ZA may be facing now.

Not only that, we saw improvement as the season went along with Leach. We scrapped hard with UGA, and showed some other solid flashes.

Overall with Leach, we were moving in the right direction and winning games. The whole mantra for promoting Zach to HC was to not take such a huge step back and a lot of promises were made about that and then actions were taken that did just the opposite.

Bottom line tho is Leach was a divisive character. Regardless of what people say about having "never said they hated Leach", they had preconceived opinions about him long before he ever stepped foot on our campus as HC. I did too ... and Spiderman, who never shows up to this board anymore, convinced me to check Leach out more thoroughly and when I did, I liked about every video I watched and Leach's approach and culture. His teams hit people, were tough, and physical. My mind changed about Leach.

Doesn't mean I didn't think we need to improve things under Leach either but just look at Parson the other night. Way too early to tell but he has talent, can run, has nimble feet, strong arm, etc. I saw where Leach was trying to improve and while he's doing that he's still winning 4 SEC games each of the last 2 years and 8 overall reg season games last year.

People say he recruited bad and maybe that's so, but his rankings are the same as we've always had as a general rule. We seem light on Jrs but that also was the year all the recruiting was done via Zoom for the most part. No one takes that into consideration.

So the main point is: The ones making excuses now and begging for more time had a preconceived idea about Leach, his offense, etc. And they pounced every time, there was a misstep in the offense. When we won convincingly or had big comebacks ... crickets. We had a bad game and/or lost ... piranhas. And now ... begging for patience with a HC that was here with Leach, inherited a very mature team, and yet trashed the Leach entire culture for the most part. ZA and this staff inherited one of the better situations any new HC will inherit.

It's all a moot point now except the product on the field anyway. Which is about as bad if not worse than Croom level.

Will started v/ kentucky??? In 2020?? Pretty sure Costello just stunk and then we put Will in.