So does everyone agree that if we had a normal coaching search Arnett isn't the hire?

[dawgday166]

What is very frustrating is that both things can be true and for some reason few posters want to admit that. Right now things are just really bad.

Anyone who doesn't look at our current roster and thinks that our recruiting the last few years has been sh!t has an agenda. We will lose close to 25 seniors who either start or play significant snaps for our team this year and most importantly these will be losses on both the OL and DL where we have zero experience coming back. We also don't have the damn bodies to even run practice in the spring beyond one starting OL, its really bad. This is primarily Leach's fault. It just is. Everyone knew that next year was going to really suck, we (hand raised) just assumed that this year would be worth it.

THe other true thing is that I agree that a Leach-run offense or something close to it would be no worse than 5-3 right now. The decision by this staff to install a brand new offense, and let's be clear - it is a brand new offense that doesn't tailor to the strengths of the current offensive roster was downright criminal. It was beyond stupid. The posters that predicted we were changing offenses were right, and the ones that said we were "tweaking" Leach's system were wrong. These are just facts.

As someone who didn't love the AR, i was hoping for tweaks, because I knew we had a QB who was very system based and that I knew that he could lead us to wins if we ran the system that he has proven he can win in. I also figured that with the SEC being a trainwreck (it is) that we could improve slightly on offense and take a tick down on defense and still win 8-9 games this year maybe more. Instead, we have Will Rogers running read-option and we can't score against Arkansas or AU.

I think the reason most people want Arnett fired because it feels like the MSU football program is riding on the Titanic. Our current team is senior laden and we don't have talented young players to look forward to playing, our current coach is clearly learning on the job and is one false start penalty away from being 3-5 and we are now recruiting jucos because we just need the bodies, and overall our recruiting this year is pretty average outside of a few WR's (I really like Stonka). So when everything is this bad, the easiest thing to do is change head coaches even though I'm not sure a new head coach fixes anything. That being said, with the way roster sets up for next year, i'm not sure anyone other than Deion can change next year's team into something I want to watch.

So I'm looking at the roster and what I'm seeing is no Juniors and Redshirt Sophs. So that would be the '21 class ('20 year during active recruiting), where most of the recruiting was being done via Zoom due to Covid and such if I recall correctly.

So yea, Leach can be blamed, once again, for lack of Juniors/Redshirt Sophs on our roster due to Covid restrictions also. New coach, no MS connections, and doing Zoom calls trying to get players to come play for him after a tough 2020 year and all the adversity there too. No quarter given there either. Folks have damn short memories SMH.

So any coach will be in a similar situation as Mullen was in '16, which turned into the '17 and '18 team after a big Juco haul in '17. But the base was set in 14' and '15 (which correlates to '22 & '23 here, and '15 was a good recruiting year for Mullen. Fitz was in '14 class). So yea, next year is a down year for any coach. We really won't know how the 22 and 23 classes will turn out for another couple of years at the earliest.

Thing is, I don't trust Zach and those surrounding him to have the experience to turn it around. I don't trust the current staff to develop the players that were recruited in '22 and '23. They certainly can't coach a bunch of Sr. and Grads that have played at least 3 years of CFB. All they'll do is make more excuses 2 to 3 years down the road about why we suck so bad, instead of rolling their sleeves up and getting it done.

There ain't too many really successful college coaches that spend a lot of time at places like Two Brothers buying rounds of beer. See Kevin Sumlin and the likes, maybe Jimbo too ... don't know. You won't find Saban, Dabo, Mullen, and probably not Leach either. At least your certainly wouldn't have found them there when they were just starting out as HCs, cause they were working ALL THE TIME.