Our fans remind me of the scouts in MoneyBall

[EdwardDrayton]

This issue boils down to optics. As it has been said over and over and over again, our fan base is not only small, but we are more than likely lower in the middle class than most fan basses so the ease of excess money to throw at kids that aren?t our actual blood is a hard sale.

The things this admin needs to do is sale the benefits that out way the odds. They can start with me, while I have a baby on the way, excess money is going 100% to the needs of her for when she arrives.

Why would I throw any money at a program right now, that does currently have money. Do we have the war chest of bama, no! But we do have money. Also why invest more when it?s clear that our admin doesn?t care, Tater made a really good post about how bad the stadium atmosphere was Saturday. This also doesn?t include the abundance of meddling that is taking place from high boosters in our coaching staff.

The above doesn?t even factor in the free 4 year degree, room and board, meals, clothes, travel, fame, chance of a lifetime to get into the NFL. You want me on top of all of that to give my hard earned money to these kids to do what? Play pitch and catch? They already earn the fair trade items listed above to play pitch and catch. This was supposed to be about NAME IMAGE AND LIKENESS not just a check in their hands.

It?s hard enough to watch NFL because it?s all about the money and not playing a long good career. These kids in college are doing the same thing, they follow the money except it?s just give these kids money to come, at least in the NFL usually they have to prove they are worth a bigger check before that payday.

If the admin would fix their side of things, I actually would think about throwing a few bucks at it, but until then why? It seems to go into a money pit that like our football program will get mismanaged.

OK stay with me here but if the numbers we're being told are accurate, we're spending around $300-$400 thousand and KY & SC are spending $3 million. Hard to believe our alumni/donor base is less affluent than those. Intuitively would say those of significant means are responsible for that differential and not the general base. And maybe that's because Cohen did not embrace it from the beginning. But isn't that supposed to be one of Zac's strengths or is he not allowed to petition for NIL.

[Maverick91]

OK stay with me here but if the numbers we're being told are accurate, we're spending around $300-$400 thousand and KY & SC are spending $3 million. Hard to believe our alumni/donor base is less affluent than those. Intuitively would say those of significant means are responsible for that differential and not the general base. And maybe that's because Cohen did not embrace it from the beginning. But isn't that supposed to be one of Zac's strengths or is he not allowed to petition for NIL.

I haven’t heard if that’s one of his strengths or not. But he does petition for it, he brings up the Bulldog Initiative a few times in his press conferences.

[Coursesuper]

This issue boils down to optics. As it has been said over and over and over again, our fan base is not only small, but we are more than likely lower in the middle class than most fan basses so the ease of excess money to throw at kids that aren?t our actual blood is a hard sale.

The things this admin needs to do is sale the benefits that out way the odds. They can start with me, while I have a baby on the way, excess money is going 100% to the needs of her for when she arrives.

Why would I throw any money at a program right now, that does currently have money. Do we have the war chest of bama, no! But we do have money. Also why invest more when it?s clear that our admin doesn?t care, Tater made a really good post about how bad the stadium atmosphere was Saturday. This also doesn?t include the abundance of meddling that is taking place from high boosters in our coaching staff.

The above doesn?t even factor in the free 4 year degree, room and board, meals, clothes, travel, fame, chance of a lifetime to get into the NFL. You want me on top of all of that to give my hard earned money to these kids to do what? Play pitch and catch? They already earn the fair trade items listed above to play pitch and catch. This was supposed to be about NAME IMAGE AND LIKENESS not just a check in their hands.

It?s hard enough to watch NFL because it?s all about the money and not playing a long good career. These kids in college are doing the same thing, they follow the money except it?s just give these kids money to come, at least in the NFL usually they have to prove they are worth a bigger check before that payday.

If the admin would fix their side of things, I actually would think about throwing a few bucks at it, but until then why? It seems to go into a money pit that like our football program will get mismanaged.

This bullshit is proof that our alumni and fan base just don?t get it. The conference is running circles around us, hell the rest of the country on our level is running circles around us and yet we hear this diatribe. The only optics that matter are do you have the talent to compete and win in the big time. That?s it. You have a base willing to win or not. Auburn just hired Hugh Fing Freezus, do you think they give a shit about optics, nope, they don?t care, just win. That?s the game it?s simple. You win and you survive if not MSU will be in the Funbelt within 5 years.

[EdwardDrayton]

This bullshit is proof that our alumni and fan base just don?t get it. The conference is running circles around us, hell the rest of the country on our level is running circles around us and yet we hear this diatribe. The only optics that matter are do you have the talent to compete and win in the big time. That?s it. You have a base willing to win or not. Auburn just hired Hugh Fing Freezus, do you think they give a shit about optics, nope, they don?t care, just win. That?s the game it?s simple. You win and you survive if not MSU will be in the Funbelt within 5 years.

Auburn is 0-2 in conference. Not sure you want to sail your ship with the Freeze Flag.

[Coursesuper]

Auburn is 0-2 in conference. Not sure you want to sail your ship with the Freeze Flag.

Jesus, again as a group we are so shortsighted. Given time and the resources that they have it is a matter of time, they will acquire the talent and will win. They gave UGA all they wanted, the guy is a terrible human being but he can coach.

[Homedawg]

Auburn is 0-2 in conference. Not sure you want to sail your ship with the Freeze Flag.

His point is valid. What their record is now is irrelevant. They will get better players and are. And will get back to auburn level.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This bullshit is proof that our alumni and fan base just don?t get it. The conference is running circles around us, hell the rest of the country on our level is running circles around us and yet we hear this diatribe. The only optics that matter are do you have the talent to compete and win in the big time. That?s it. You have a base willing to win or not. Auburn just hired Hugh Fing Freezus, do you think they give a shit about optics, nope, they don?t care, just win. That?s the game it?s simple. You win and you survive if not MSU will be in the Funbelt within 5 years.

I think another thing is with the people that are on the fence about donating is that they want to know EXACTLY where their money is going. And I get that, but NIL needs change by the day, if not the hour. I understand the want to say I helped buy/keep that player, but the problem is that the minute they do that then other teams can figure out exactly how much we are giving a specific kid and up their offer. Right now that is mostly generalities unless you know someone really on the inside. I think another thing people want is access and benefits to go along with their donations.

[Ezsoil]

Trying to define the problem.

?We need a new coach?
?Change the QB?
?We run too much?
?Why arent we running??

If you want to know our problem, watch that scene.

NIL = more $ = better players = more wins = you being happy

Sign up for $20 / month.

In actuality it's you who has the mentality of the scouts..... the whole point of the scene is you have to change how you evaluate players and not buy the free agent players the same ole way.....blindly throwing money in to an NIL fund solves nothing without changing how you evaluate and develop talent as the smallest public school in the conference. Until someone figures out a way to find undervalued and under recruited players ....MSU will always be behind the pack.

[Ezsoil]

OK stay with me here but if the numbers we're being told are accurate, we're spending around $300-$400 thousand and KY & SC are spending $3 million. Hard to believe our alumni/donor base is less affluent than those. Intuitively would say those of significant means are responsible for that differential and not the general base. And maybe that's because Cohen did not embrace it from the beginning. But isn't that supposed to be one of Zac's strengths or is he not allowed to petition for NIL.

Yes not only is our fan base less affluent, we are vastly smaller.....farmers and engineers do not make as much money as doctors and lawyers....throw in the fact that they have five times the number of alumni that we have and you see that we have to find innovative ways to compete.

[Maverick91]

This bullshit is proof that our alumni and fan base just don?t get it. The conference is running circles around us, hell the rest of the country on our level is running circles around us and yet we hear this diatribe. The only optics that matter are do you have the talent to compete and win in the big time. That?s it. You have a base willing to win or not. Auburn just hired Hugh Fing Freezus, do you think they give a shit about optics, nope, they don?t care, just win. That?s the game it?s simple. You win and you survive if not MSU will be in the Funbelt within 5 years.

Step off the high horse boss. This is reality, if the athletic department cares (which I don’t think they do) they would be fighting to change the alumni perspective. Even if we brought in top talent guess who is still running that talent? The lackluster athletic department.

[Maverick91]

I think another thing is with the people that are on the fence about donating is that they want to know EXACTLY where their money is going. And I get that, but NIL needs change by the day, if not the hour. I understand the want to say I helped buy/keep that player, but the problem is that the minute they do that then other teams can figure out exactly how much we are giving a specific kid and up their offer. Right now that is mostly generalities unless you know someone really on the inside. I think another thing people want is access and benefits to go along with their donations.

I just want to know that I am donating to an athletic department that wants to win. Right now, I don’t think they care to win, I think they want to stay right where they are. There are no movers and shakers in our department I was hoping that Selmon would be that but to date I haven’t seen it. Verdict is still out there. So, why am I going to donate just to stay right where we are? We have all talked about it, this university sits on cash we don’t spend it. If we spent the money we get we could compete well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I just want to know that I am donating to an athletic department that wants to win. Right now, I don’t think they care to win, I think they want to stay right where they are. There are no movers and shakers in our department I was hoping that Selmon would be that but to date I haven’t seen it. Verdict is still out there. So, why am I going to donate just to stay right where we are? We have all talked about it, this university sits on cash we don’t spend it. If we spent the money we get we could compete well.

Well when you donate to NIL you are not donating to the athletic dept.

[cheewgumm]

Our fan base could easily come up with 25,000 fans to give $20 / month.

That?s 67 cents per day.

We can afford that.

That would be $6m per year.

We wont do it (as evidence fed by this thread) but to act like it?s is impossible is short sighted at best.

[Coursesuper]

Step off the high horse boss. This is reality, if the athletic department cares (which I don’t think they do) they would be fighting to change the alumni perspective. Even if we brought in top talent guess who is still running that talent? The lackluster athletic department.

Welcome to the Funbelt bro.

[cheewgumm]

In actuality it's you who has the mentality of the scouts..... the whole point of the scene is you have to change how you evaluate players and not buy the free agent players the same ole way.....blindly throwing money in to an NIL fund solves nothing without changing how you evaluate and develop talent as the smallest public school in the conference. Until someone figures out a way to find undervalued and under recruited players ....MSU will always be behind the pack.

I addressed this, as I knew people would say this. After all people on here pick apart every minute detail and ignore the point.

[Maverick91]

Well when you donate to NIL you are not donating to the athletic dept.

My point is that I think if our athletic department showed that they actually want to win more people would give.

[Maverick91]

Welcome to the Funbelt bro.

We would be in the funbelt no matter how much NIL we gave. The athletic department doesn’t want to win big.

[Todd4State]

This issue boils down to optics. As it has been said over and over and over again, our fan base is not only small, but we are more than likely lower in the middle class than most fan basses so the ease of excess money to throw at kids that aren?t our actual blood is a hard sale.

The things this admin needs to do is sale the benefits that out way the odds. They can start with me, while I have a baby on the way, excess money is going 100% to the needs of her for when she arrives.

Why would I throw any money at a program right now, that does currently have money. Do we have the war chest of bama, no! But we do have money. Also why invest more when it?s clear that our admin doesn?t care, Tater made a really good post about how bad the stadium atmosphere was Saturday. This also doesn?t include the abundance of meddling that is taking place from high boosters in our coaching staff.

The above doesn?t even factor in the free 4 year degree, room and board, meals, clothes, travel, fame, chance of a lifetime to get into the NFL. You want me on top of all of that to give my hard earned money to these kids to do what? Play pitch and catch? They already earn the fair trade items listed above to play pitch and catch. This was supposed to be about NAME IMAGE AND LIKENESS not just a check in their hands.

It?s hard enough to watch NFL because it?s all about the money and not playing a long good career. These kids in college are doing the same thing, they follow the money except it?s just give these kids money to come, at least in the NFL usually they have to prove they are worth a bigger check before that payday.

If the admin would fix their side of things, I actually would think about throwing a few bucks at it, but until then why? It seems to go into a money pit that like our football program will get mismanaged.

Our football program needs a reboot. Badly.

If this goes sideways this offseason will be a big test for MSU.

Our brand is boring, our coach looks in over his head and appears to be relying on advice from a high school coach.

At least we get to see the interlocking MSU back soon- hopefully a step to making it permanent.

We also aren't a major player in recruiting and we consistently undervalue that.

[Maroonthirteen]

Our fan base could easily come up with 25,000 fans to give $20 / month.

That?s 67 cents per day.

We can afford that.

st.

Im not hating on your idea. I wish it would happen. However, just FYI, there is only 14,000+ in the Bulldog Club. Also, I am pretty sure, if you bought season tickets and gave $1,000 just this year, your ranking would be under 10,000.

[Cooterpoot]

This bullshit is proof that our alumni and fan base just don?t get it. The conference is running circles around us, hell the rest of the country on our level is running circles around us and yet we hear this diatribe. The only optics that matter are do you have the talent to compete and win in the big time. That?s it. You have a base willing to win or not. Auburn just hired Hugh Fing Freezus, do you think they give a shit about optics, nope, they don?t care, just win. That?s the game it?s simple. You win and you survive if not MSU will be in the Funbelt within 5 years.

Our administration has been way worse than the fans. It's not close. They give the school millions from from our athletic budget and then rainy day fund millions instead of putting it into recruiting to help level the field. We prioritized 17ing baseball over everything. That's as dumb as it gets. We can't even get our damn new logo on the scoreboard but other schools have it on theirs when we go there. We've been so poorly operated by the good ole boys selling blue collar bullshit for so long the fans are finally sick of it.
I'm waiting to see how this circus of a football program goes the next two months to decide if I need to invest my money somewhere else. If we keep the circus in town after a losing record, I'm out. If they straighten out things, & win games or we fire Amatuer Hour for sucking, Im increasing my investment. Either MSU invests in the program, or they need to stop asking people to.