As of today, Our Defense is ranked 99th! Offense 95th!

[dawgday166]

Lane kiffin was rookie coach at OM in 2020: 3rd nationally in total offense

Sam Pittman was rookie coach at ark in 2020: 66th nationally in total offense

And how experienced was Lane's QB. And FWIW ... Lane does adapt to his personnel extremely well too. Lane does what Barbay says he does.

Doesn't really matter ... you hate Leach and the Air Raid. We got it.

[KB21]

And how experienced was Lane's QB. And FWIW ... Lane does adapt to his personnel extremely well too. Lane does what Barbay says he does.

Doesn't really matter ... you hate Leach and the Air Raid. We got it.

There's a lot of Leach hate in the fanbase out there.

[DownwardDawg]

I was never an air raid fan, but our new HC sucks.

[msstate7]

And how experienced was Lane's QB. And FWIW ... Lane does adapt to his personnel extremely well too. Lane does what Barbay says he does.

Doesn't really matter ... you hate Leach and the Air Raid. We got it.

This is just for blacksails to show his hypocrisy. He was more than willing to be patient in 2020, but now a drastic change should go off without a hitch. I did dislike our offense the past 3 seasons, but I completely jumped the gun in 2020 bc the offense proved capable with time. I like to consider myself willing to learn from past mistakes, so I'm being more patient

[msstate7]

There's a lot of Leach hate in the fanbase out there.

And there's hate of anything that's not air raid too. Yes, that's directed at you

[Coach34]

Is Goede better than Creed?

At blocking? 100% he is

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

7, can we hire Lane to be our OC/HC? Can we hire Briles (Pittmans OC) to be our OC? We actually tried and failed on that front.

Fact is, year 3 of the air raid was better than this shot show, and since everyone was returning year 4 in that system would have been better than year 3.

Whatever you want to say about that system, there is ZERO doubt we'd be a better team this season if we had stayed with is vs hiring Barbay. Now you can speculate that some none non Barbay non air raid O would be better than year 4 air raid, but that's speculation. What we KNOW is that for 2023 we'd have been better off keeping the AR than doing what we did.

[Coach34]

There's a lot of Leach hate in the fanbase out there.

I dont think anybody hated Leach. It was The Airbone they hated

[KB21]

And there's hate of anything that's not air raid too. Yes, that's directed at you

I don't really care if it is or not. I don't hate other schemes that aren't the Air Raid. The Air Raid is simply the best scheme in college. What I hate are meathead coaches who come in thinking that you just absolutely have to run the ball to have success.

[dawgday166]

This is just for blacksails to show his hypocrisy. He was more than willing to be patient in 2020, but now a drastic change should go off without a hitch. I did dislike our offense the past 3 seasons, but I completely jumped the gun in 2020 bc the offense proved capable with time. I like to consider myself willing to learn from past mistakes, so I'm being more patient

I'll buy that. I have noticed the kinder, gentler, no meltdown 7.

I don't think we fire anyone but ZA needs to make sure he's keeping the culture intact. And if we do fire anyone I would start with Friend. He sucks and has always sucked. ZA made a mistake firing Mason or letting him go or whatever. Maybe he had no choice tho ... dunno.

[Goldendawg]

As another person pointed out. We were told our best 11 would be on that field. Why are we playing a true freshman OL at TE? We all know he isn't going out for a pass. Is Goede better than Creed? Thomas? Mosely?

No


So why are we not getting our best 11 on the field?

Goede was buried on the GA depth chart and has yet to catch a pass there or at State. In fact our only TE to catch a pass to date is Harman who is really a WR. Playing outside WR is a very lonely position as you are very seldom targeted and we can't get the ball to them if we try.No opponent respects or fears us having TE's in the passing game, yet Barbay hangs his hat on having a TE/H in his "offense". We are not putting our best players on the field in many positions I am afraid or our talent is much worse than I thought along with a heavily "rookie" coaching staff who has repeatedly said they have had the team unprepared in 2 of the 3 games played. Having flashbacks of JoMo, Croom, Woody, Sermon. This is Tech and 10 scary to date.

[msstate7]

7, can we hire Lane to be our OC/HC? Can we hire Briles (Pittmans OC) to be our OC? We actually tried and failed on that front.

Fact is, year 3 of the air raid was better than this shot show, and since everyone was returning year 4 in that system would have been better than year 3.

Whatever you want to say about that system, there is ZERO doubt we'd be a better team this season if we had stayed with is vs hiring Barbay. Now you can speculate that some none non Barbay non air raid O would be better than year 4 air raid, but that's speculation. What we KNOW is that for 2023 we'd have been better off keeping the AR than doing what we did.

If the defense truly is this bad, this was the perfect year to transition to what arnett obviously prefers.

If the last 2 weeks are truly indicative of our defense, we really, really underestimated how important wheat, Forbes, and our safeties were. Maybe arnett saw this coming so he made the switch on O

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

At blocking? 100% he is

You know what he's saying. "Is our offense better off in 10 personnel or 11?" And he's using those 2 names to make the point.

Creed would "block" by taking a man out of the box. He might even be good at blocking CBS we haven't seen enough to know. All we do know with Goede is that he can't catch a pass and can't block as good as a 3rd OT would. If no TE is ever going to get a target they are glorified skinny OTs that are way worse blockers than a skinny OT.

I'm not opposed to having TEs. I'm opposed to playing worthless ones. Play the RB and WR talent we have. Pitman can be a lead blocker in 2 RB sets, split him to the flatly to draw a LB out of the box I don't care. But a true Fr TE that won't catch the ball isn't the answer

[KB21]

You know what he's saying. "Is our offense better off in 10 personnel or 11?" And he's using those 2 names to make the point.

Creed would "block" by taking a man out of the box. He might even be good at blocking CBS we haven't seen enough to know. All we do know with Goede is that he can't catch a pass and can't block as good as a 3rd OT would. If no TE is ever going to get a target they are glorified skinny OTs that are way worse blockers than a skinny OT.

I'm not opposed to having TEs. I'm opposed to playing worthless ones. Play the RB and WR talent we have. Pitman can be a lead blocker in 2 RB sets, split him to the flatly to draw a LB out of the box I don't care. But a true Fr TE that won't catch the ball isn't the answer

Leach also wasn't opposed to playing TEs. Leach's stance was that if you could find one, it's fun, but you shouldn't be playing your third team offensive lineman just to have one on the field. Well, that's what we are doing. We are playing a guy who should be redshirting as an OT at TE because we just have to have one on the field.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

If the defense truly is this bad, this was the perfect year to transition to what arnett obviously prefers.

If the last 2 weeks are truly indicative of our defense, we really, really underestimated how important wheat, Forbes, and our safeties were. Maybe arnett saw this coming so he made the switch on O

I will agree that if your D is going to be >90th you may as well transition the O. But I disagree about Wheat/Forbes and Arnett seeing anything coming... the D is terribly coached. Missing assignments, bad game plans, no in game adjustments, awful ply calls for the down and distance. If Arnett couldn't see Brock wasn't ready to be DC I'm not sure he saw anything else either. Wheat and Forbes were big losses but they weren't THIS big. This is coaching.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Leach also wasn't opposed to playing TEs. Leach's stance was that if you could find one, it's fun, but you shouldn't be playing your third team offensive lineman just to have one on the field. Well, that's what we are doing. We are playing a guy who should be redshirting as an OT at TE because we just have to have one on the field.

Exactly! If you're going to play a TE he should be a chess piece to counter weaknesses in the D- he can be an extra blocker or a receiver. But I don't think our TEs have a single target this season, so that just leaves blocking... and as you say, there ain't no way a true Fr is a better blocker than our backup OT, so we aren't really excelling at blocking either.

Like we should be using 20 personnel. Run play? Use 1 RB as the lead blocker for the other. Pass play? Keep one in to help block, roll the other to the flat as the check down. The think about a TE to block is that our whole OL sucks, so often the pressure comes from somewhere the TE isn't. An RB is more able to see the leak and plug the hole.

Just a complete failure to accept the talent he has. Barbay is truly so arrogant as to think his offense with a true Fr te that can't catch is better than any 4 WR or 2 RB offense he could run instead. Just like Moorhead making Fitz throw it 30 times

[KB21]

Exactly! If you're going to play a TE he should be a chess piece to counter weaknesses in the D- he can be an extra blocker or a receiver. But I don't think our TEs have a single target this season, so that just leaves blocking... and as you say, there ain't no way a true Fr is a better blocker than our backup OT, so we aren't really excelling at blocking either.

Like we should be using 20 personnel. Run play? Use 1 RB as the lead blocker for the other. Pass play? Keep one in to help block, roll the other to the flat as the check down. The think about a TE to block is that our whole OL sucks, so often the pressure comes from somewhere the TE isn't. An RB is more able to see the leak and plug the hole.

Just a complete failure to accept the talent he has. Barbay is truly so arrogant as to think his offense with a true Fr te that can't catch is better than any 4 WR or 2 RB offense he could run instead. Just like Moorhead making Fitz throw it 30 times

Yes. That would be getting our best players on the field. Our WRs and RBs are simply BETTER than our TEs, and that would have been the case even if Spivey could play.

The problem is, this offensive coordinator wants to run a Spreadahan system with the wide zone, and he cannot figure out a way to run it without a TE on the field.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Lane kiffin was rookie coach at OM in 2020: 3rd nationally in total offense

Sam Pittman was rookie coach at ark in 2020: 66th nationally in total offense

And Ole Miss hired within it's offensive philosophy. They did not change much. And Leach was ranked 20th on the offense he ran. Our backs did not carry alot but averaged 4.5 per carry. For comparison, Ole miss Rbs were 5.1 and 4.5. Very much in line with them. In fact, the Starting RB for Ole Miss dropped from 6.9 to 5.1


And what's really cute is that Ole Miss did not hire in a HC that was changing it all up. He had a Vet team. See how that works? Don't totally change the offense. Yet here WE are.....

[BlackSailsDawg]

This is just for blacksails to show his hypocrisy. He was more than willing to be patient in 2020, but now a drastic change should go off without a hitch. I did dislike our offense the past 3 seasons, but I completely jumped the gun in 2020 bc the offense proved capable with time. I like to consider myself willing to learn from past mistakes, so I'm being more patient

Actually, you are doing nothing more than proving my points.

- Lane vs Barbay. That's your comparison. One was carrying on the same style, the other trying to change it all up.

- YEP! Leach took the 109th passing offense to a top 20 WITHOUT a spring to put in his offense with a True Freshman heavy team! That's called improvement in the face of adversity.

It was a stupid move to change direction with a SR team. We could have had a modified AR with more rushing.

[BlackSailsDawg]

If the defense truly is this bad, this was the perfect year to transition to what arnett obviously prefers.

If the last 2 weeks are truly indicative of our defense, we really, really underestimated how important wheat, Forbes, and our safeties were. Maybe arnett saw this coming so he made the switch on O

Then he needs to be fired because he ruined his only shot at wins.