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[Dawgface]

It’ll be hard to be much than the 4-8 we are about to experience.

4-8 is no guarantee.

[Turfdawg67]

Maybe tap the brakes? We were going loose to LSU no matter if we played our A game with Leach coaching. Arnett is still a baby and was woefully unprepared, experience wise, for the job that was thrust upon him. This was his third game and first real test. He can still win 6 and that was the expectation. If he doesn't improve over the season then worry, but he'll likely get year two, no matter what, barring a complete implosion.

This was Arnett's 4th game and we've looked woefully unprepared in all of them. If he can't look competent with this veteran team, what are we going to look like during next year's rebuild? We've made a grave mistake and are back to the Croom years of uncompetitiveness. At least Croom had a defense...

[CoachT14]

4-8 is no guarantee.

4-8 is more likely than 6-6 or better. Especially with Will at QB.

[Matt3467]

Maybe tap the brakes? We were going loose to LSU no matter if we played our A game with Leach coaching. Arnett is still a baby and was woefully unprepared, experience wise, for the job that was thrust upon him. This was his third game and first real test. He can still win 6 and that was the expectation. If he doesn't improve over the season then worry, but he'll likely get year two, no matter what, barring a complete implosion.

LSU will end up with ~3 losses. They aren't as good as some on here make them out to be. FSU trounced them then nearly lost to a BC team that lost to a horrible NIU and barely beat Holy Cross.

I see two games on our schedule that we should definitely win and that's Western Michigan and Southern Miss. Where else are we optimistic about getting two more wins? SC just gave Georgia a game and we play them at their home. I'll never believe we beat Bama until we do. We play at ARK. At AU. KY looks good. At A&M. Then who knows what happens on Thanksgiving. After week 3 I don't think there can be any question about it that we're the worst team in the SEC right now. We were lucky to beat AZ at home being gifted 5 turnovers and after that game I knew we were in trouble but some would have others believe we went and nearly threw that game so we could hide a few plays.

[viverlibre]

LSU will end up with ~3 losses. They aren't as good as some on here make them out to be. FSU trounced them then nearly lost to a BC team that lost to a horrible NIU and barely beat Holy Cross.

I'm wasn't predicting that LSU is a playoff team, my point is they are better than last year and we are worse (or the same at best), so Saturday's loss shouldn't have surprised anyone. Even with Leach coaching, we likely lose that game. We were double digit underdogs.

[bulldawg28]

Arnett isn't going anywhere nor should he. I suspect he'll fire coaches and make changes. He'll figure it out and the team will win.

[ShotgunDawg]

The good ones show it quick.

Learning curve is a myth. You know really quick when teams are well coached

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Arnett isn't going anywhere nor should he. I suspect he'll fire coaches and make changes. He'll figure it out and the team will win.

Name me the coaches that greatly underperformed year 1 and turned out good? Sure there are some, but for every 1 you find there are 10 that simply kept sucking.

Could Arnett be the 1 who pans out? Sure. But he hired a bad DC, probably hired a bad PC, hired a bad WR coach, and hired a bad OL coach, and hired a couple more retread assistants because they've been here before. He has very few coaching connections and this season isn't going to make anyone want to hitch their careers to him. We can always poach a G5 position coach just because of pay but getting a proven OC or DC is going to be hard. Especially if Arnett wants to keep his D- he'll have to take over the plycalling and some of the coaching himself if he wants his system to work here. Brock ain't it.

[bulldawg28]

Name me the coaches that greatly underperformed year 1 and turned out good? Sure there are some, but for every 1 you find there are 10 that simply kept sucking.

Could Arnett be the 1 who pans out? Sure. But he hired a bad DC, probably hired a bad PC, hired a bad WR coach, and hired a bad OL coach, and hired a couple more retread assistants because they've been here before. He has very few coaching connections and this season isn't going to make anyone want to hitch their careers to him. We can always poach a G5 position coach just because of pay but getting a proven OC or DC is going to be hard. Especially if Arnett wants to keep his D- he'll have to take over the plycalling and some of the coaching himself if he wants his system to work here. Brock ain't it.

You make this scenario fit any narrative you want. Truthfully if you see made positive decision making changes that's positive to me.

FSU is an easy example.

[MBDawg601]

Arnett isn't going anywhere nor should he. I suspect he'll fire coaches and make changes. He'll figure it out and the team will win.

Are you basing this of of anything? Or just guessing?

The 3 game sample we have been given does not lead me to believe he has a clue what he is doing and I don't think he has ever been in a position to roll heads. I'm glad you are optimistic.

[Coach34]

Name me the coaches that greatly underperformed year 1 and turned out good? Sure there are some, but for every 1 you find there are 10 that simply kept sucking.

Bobby Bowden went 5-6 at Fla St
Bear Bryant went 1-9 at Texas A&M
Howard Schnellenberger had 3 straight losing seasons to begin at Louisville
People were saying Kirby Smart going 8-5 at Georgia in Y1 was underachieving

Remind me again- who was picked last in the West this season by damn near everyone?

[civildawg]

If we still look pitiful by the end of the year and go 5-7 or 4-8, go get Mike Elko from Duke and be done with it

[KB21]

If we still look pitiful by the end of the year and go 5-7 or 4-8, go get Mike Elko from Duke and be done with it

No more defensive minded head coaches.

[civildawg]

Remind me again- who was picked last in the West this season by damn near everyone?

This happens every year though.

[Coach34]

This happens every year though.

It doesnt happen every year. It happens about every other year

We were picked last- so anything better than last would be overachieving.

[Goldendawg]

I just don't see us firing him short of 4-8 (o-fer in conference). His was so unprepared/inexperienced, we knew there'd be growing pains.

Inexperienced I can live with and give a chance to learn and grow. No excuse though, to admit two weeks in a row that the staff had this experienced 9 win team last year unprepared. This could be JoMo 2.0 trying to pound round pegs into square holes. The offense has reminded me of Croom/Woody and the defense is terrible at this point to boot. Beat SC or this season could be very long.

[DownwardDawg]

It doesnt happen every year. It happens about every other year

We were picked last- so anything better than last would be overachieving.

Wait a minute now, I thought we had this veteran team and were poised to win 6-8 games.

[Matt3467]

Bobby Bowden went 5-6 at Fla St
Bear Bryant went 1-9 at Texas A&M
Howard Schnellenberger had 3 straight losing seasons to begin at Louisville
People were saying Kirby Smart going 8-5 at Georgia in Y1 was underachieving

Remind me again- who was picked last in the West this season by damn near everyone?

Apart from Kirby Bryant and Schnellenberger are different cases. Schnellenberger came into Louisville already with a winning background although looking at Louisville's record during his tenure apart from a couple good years they weren't anything special and barely rode above .500. Bryant of course already had big success at KY before A&M. I think the main point is that Arnett had no indicators that he was ready. Kirby had 8 years under arguably the GOAT. Mullen came over with huge success on offense coaching under Urban Meyer. I liker Arnett and it's nothing against him personally but we keep shooting ourselves in the foot with these hires and I'm not just talking HC.

[DownwardDawg]

Inexperienced I can live with and give a chance to learn and grow. No excuse though, to admit two weeks in a row that the staff had this experienced 9 win team last year unprepared. This could be JoMo 2.0 trying to pound round pegs into square holes. The offense has reminded me of Croom/Woody and the defense is terrible at this point to boot. Beat SC or this season could be very long.

I've never been on a coach this early in his career. Not even close, but this team looks as bad as I've ever seen a State team look. Yes, I was in the stadium for most of Croom's home games.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Arnett isn't going anywhere nor should he. I suspect he'll fire coaches and make changes. He'll figure it out and the team will win.

Yes he should. I love the 3-3-5, but this is on him. He's the HC and he has no clue how to be the head coach!