Nobody is saying it's "easy" to win a Natty. Nobody is discounting what he did. We're just pointing out that he won a Natty with other coaches players and culture (ie as a manager he's great) but as we've gotten more and more into his players, his culture we've fallen off a cliff (ie he can't build or maintain a program). Since we need a long term prpgram builder and not a short term manager, he should go.

But we're really just debating timeliness here. Me and most other State fans think 2 God awful seasons is enough time to make a judgment. You're saying it should be 2 God awful seasons + early into SEC play next year. I disagree with a lot of the logic you've stated that leads you to your view, but ultimately it's not that big of a disagreement... we agree he's failing, just not on how many chances he should get to prove otherwise