State of State Baseball

[sandjunky]

Lemonis doesn't develop the talent as much as Foxhall and Gautreau do. He more or less oversees the program.

All in all our offensive lineups are not bad. Mershon didn't start the year because of a hamstring injury. Dakota Jordan has made a LOT of improvement this year.

Given the amount of coaches allowed - it needs to be an all hands on deck development of the program - get off your bucket and get your damn hands dirty

[ScooterDog]

Many of you have suggested good replacement head coaches, but if Lemo stays and Foxy goes, who do you think might be a good replacement pitching coach?

[Leroy Jenkins]

Bert and Ernie over here, lost in the sauce. Just swimming in the koolaid and don't even know what flavor it is.

[Captain Falcon]

Many of you have suggested good replacement head coaches, but if Lemo stays and Foxy goes, who do you think might be a good replacement pitching coach?

Corey Muscara at Wake Forest should get the right of first refusal.

Micah Posey at Dallas Baptist would be in the next tier for me.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Many of you have suggested good replacement head coaches, but if Lemo stays and Foxy goes, who do you think might be a good replacement pitching coach?

Phil Brickma, Kent Murphy.

[Ranchdawg]

I?m in the boat to keep Lemonis but Foxhall has gotta go. For some reason I really like Lemonis. And I believe we could do better than Gotro hitting wise. Yes I am aware of offense stats. But how many hitters have really progressed. A few but certainly not majority of players that have come thru the program. Hancock, Clark and Forsythe have done very little improving, if any. They are basically the exact players they were when they were freshman.

[gtowndawg]

Bert and Ernie over here, lost in the sauce. Just swimming in the koolaid and don't even know what flavor it is.

Uh oh, is this a Bert Stares reference?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I?m in the boat to keep Lemonis but Foxhall has gotta go. For some reason I really like Lemonis. And I believe we could do better than Gotro hitting wise. Yes I am aware of offense stats. But how many hitters have really progressed. A few but certainly not majority of players that have come thru the program. Hancock, Clark and Forsythe have done very little improving, if any. They are basically the exact players they were when they were freshman.

Well let's talk about defense- we're the worst defensive team in the conference, Hines hasn't learned to play 1st, Forsythe has regressed, and we thought Hancock could play catcher. All signs of terrible coaching.

If pitching is on Fox, and lack of hitter development is on Jake G, then who does our defense fall on? At some point Lemones HAS to get blame for this

[cujo]

Well let's talk about defense- we're the worst defensive team in the conference, Hines hasn't learned to play 1st, Forsythe has regressed, and we thought Hancock could play catcher. All signs of terrible coaching.

If pitching is on Fox, and lack of hitter development is on Jake G, then who does our defense fall on? At some point Lemones HAS to get blame for this

Is he hurt, too?

[smootness]

I?m in the boat to keep Lemonis but Foxhall has gotta go. For some reason I really like Lemonis. And I believe we could do better than Gotro hitting wise. Yes I am aware of offense stats. But how many hitters have really progressed. A few but certainly not majority of players that have come thru the program. Hancock, Clark and Forsythe have done very little improving, if any. They are basically the exact players they were when they were freshman.

That is not true at all. None of them have had a Brent Rooker-like jump, but they have all improved every single year. Not by absolute leaps and bounds, but Forsythe was atrocious as a freshman and is now passable offensively. Clark was solid but with big holes and has improved to where he is very good. And Hancock was pretty darn good to start and is now very good as well.

[Leroy Jenkins]

If pitching is on Fox, and lack of hitter development is on Jake G, then who does our defense fall on? At some point Lemones HAS to get blame for this

Gotreau coaches infield. Cheese coaches catchers.

[maroonmania]

That is not true at all. None of them have had a Brent Rooker-like jump, but they have all improved every single year. Not by absolute leaps and bounds, but Forsythe was atrocious as a freshman and is now passable offensively. Clark was solid but with big holes and has improved to where he is very good. And Hancock was pretty darn good to start and is now very good as well.

Problem.with Forsythe is he has regressed more defensively than he has improved offensively.

[smootness]

Problem.with Forsythe is he has regressed more defensively than he has improved offensively.

That is fair, I am just talking offense.

[Coach34]

That is not true at all. None of them have had a Brent Rooker-like jump, but they have all improved every single year. Not by absolute leaps and bounds, but Forsythe was atrocious as a freshman and is now passable offensively.

Is he?

2021- Foreskin hit .231 186 AB's- 5 doubles and a HR...56 K's
2023- Foreskin is hitting .248 in 105 AB's...6 doubles and 2 HR's...21 K's

In 2 years he is slightly better now that he has a tad more pop and now grounds out weakly instead of striking out. He needs to go to Delta State and help them make a run at a D-II playoff spot

[sandjunky]

Is he?

2021- Foreskin hit .231 186 AB's- 5 doubles and a HR...56 K's
2023- Foreskin is hitting .248 in 105 AB's...6 doubles and 2 HR's...21 K's

In 2 years he is slightly better now that he has a tad more pop and now grounds out weakly instead of striking out. He needs to go to Delta State and help them make a run at a D-II playoff spot

Defensively he regressed
4 errors in 129 chances in 2022
14 errors in 128 chances in 2023 (with 4-5 more due to home scorer)

[Coach34]

Defensively he regressed
4 errors in 129 chances in 2022
14 errors in 128 chances in 2023 (with 4-5 more due to home scorer)

You also cant ignore his abysmal fielding his freshman year. While he played well in the CWS- he was terrible all season in 2021. I'm pretty sure he has the lowest career fielding percentage in the SEC among guys that start

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Gotreau coaches infield. Cheese coaches catchers.

Ahh yes. If I'm ever an State head coach, I'll make sure to hire terrible assistants all around me so that no blame can fall on myself!

Seriously, we've now listed every single coach Lemones personally hired as being someone that has failed hard at their job. And Lemones -who apparently does nothing himself- obviously can't be trusted to hire assistants.

What do you do with a head coach that can't evaluate his roster, makes awful in game moves regarding pinch hitting and when to pull pitchers, and can't spot quality assistants? You fire him, that's what you do. We don't need a figure head, we need a coach.

[maroonmania]

Defensively he regressed
4 errors in 129 chances in 2022
14 errors in 128 chances in 2023 (with 4-5 more due to home scorer)

Not only that, in 2021 in Omaha he was flawless defensively. Probably don't win the natty without his stellar play at SS. Boy, does that seem like a distant memory.

[smootness]

Is he?

2021- Foreskin hit .231 186 AB's- 5 doubles and a HR...56 K's
2023- Foreskin is hitting .248 in 105 AB's...6 doubles and 2 HR's...21 K's

In 2 years he is slightly better now that he has a tad more pop and now grounds out weakly instead of striking out. He needs to go to Delta State and help them make a run at a D-II playoff spot

Yes, he is.

His average is only a little better, but he is also walking at a much higher rate, striking out at a lower rate, and hitting with more pop.

So as a freshman, his OPS was .595, which is abysmal. Last year it was a better but still rough .678, and this year it is a passable .763. Still not great for a college hitter but miles better than as a freshman.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Yes, he is.

His average is only a little better, but he is also walking at a much higher rate, striking out at a lower rate, and hitting with more pop.

So as a freshman, his OPS was .595, which is abysmal. Last year it was a better but still rough .678, and this year it is a passable .763. Still not great for a college hitter but miles better than as a freshman.

Yeah I hate this cherry picking. If someone thinks batting avg and number of homers are the stats to look at, then they don't know baseball. If they know what stats matter bus still use avg and HRs to make a point, then they're spewing propaganda, not honesty.