I know how folks feel here about Minshew but check this out

[Coach34]

Anyone that had seen Tyler Russell play and had half a brain knew that he was not a legitimate threat to run the ball. Minshew is in no way comparable to Russell. I do not know anything about his size, but I have watched his highlights and he can run the ball well enough to at least be a threat that other teams would have to account for......that was never the case with Russell.

Tyler Russell- aka "The Statue" rushed for 3 times as many yards his Sr year as Minshew did as a Jr. Minshew barely rushed for over 100 yards on THE SEASON.

DONT WASTE OUR TIME AND THIS KID'S CAREER-DO NOT WANT

[Political Hack]

J'Mar isn't Dak. He'd be more like Mariotta than anyone we've ever had.

[Political Hack]

Tyler Russell- aka "The Statue" rushed for 3 times as many yards his Se year as Minshew did as a Jr. Minshew barely rushed for over 100 yards on THE SEASON.

DONT WASTE OUR TIME AND THIS KID'S CAREER-DO NOT WANT

incredible.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

J'Mar isn't Dak. He'd be more like Mariotta than anyone we've ever had.

Sign me up for that. I'd take it.

[Coach34]

incredible.

Hack- you were still trying to tell us 3/4 of the way thru last season Russell was a better QB than Dakota

Minshew is a career back-up at State and doesn't fit what we do

[hailmari]

What we do now might not what we're doing in two years. Mullen and his offense may not be here by then. If he can walk on, then hell yeah, we're prepared.

[Coach34]

Minshew is not walking on at State- he is going to go to the SunBelt or somewhere and lead Rice to a bowl game

[engie]

Minshew is not walking on at State- he is going to go to the SunBelt or somewhere and lead Rice to a bowl game

Don't be so sure.

His heart is 100% Dawg. His grades put him at school for free wherever he wants to go in the SEC sans Vanderbilt.

We've got a legit shot to get him even without a scholarship offer -- as long as he's guaranteed a fair chance and a scholly if/when he earns it.

WYD -- please spare me on the "not walking on anywhere" line. I have pretty good insight on him. Better personal insight than any other recruit in the last couple of classes.

[Todd4State]

Not to get in the middle of this debate but J'mar will be a 4yr starter at a 6A school also. Concerning the Rivals camp shouldn't a pocket passer do better than a dual threat kid? The camp is basically staying in the pocket making passes not including any of what makes a dual threat qb dangerous. Part of the reason no dual threat guys ever win or get invited to the Elite 11 finals.

I don't think so. Just because you are a dual threat QB doesn't mean you aren't a good passer or decision maker. Look at Dak. Sure, he has had to learn and make progress- but when he came out of high school he wasn't that bad at passing at all.

Vince Young and Tim Tebow were Elite 11 QB's coming out of high school- among others.

IMO the difference between the Elite 11 QB's in a lot of cases is they get a lot of private training whereas a guy like Dak or the QB's we normally get don't have that training and Dan has to kind of "catch them up". The exception being a guy like Jameis Winston who is a complete freak of a talent. But once Dan gets a guy like Dak caught up, he's every bit as good as just about anyone else in the SEC.

[sandwolf]

Tyler Russell- aka "The Statue" rushed for 3 times as many yards his St year as Minshew did as a Jr. Minshew barely rushed for over 100 yards on THE SEASON.

DONT WASTE OUR TIME AND THIS KID'S CAREER-DO NOT WANT

So you are of the opinion that Russell was more mobile in the pocket and more capable in the running game than Minshew is? Based on the video I have seen of Minshew, I would have to disagree. And for the record, I am not saying that he fits Mullen's offense as well as J'Mar Smith does......I am just saying that he appears far more capable of running it than Russell was.

[Coach34]

So you are of the opinion that Russell was more mobile in the pocket and more capable in the running game than Minshew is? Based on the video I have seen of Minshew, I would have to disagree. And for the record, I am not saying that he fits Mullen's offense as well as J'Mar Smith does......I am just saying that he appears far more capable of running it than Russell was.

No..

I'm saying that Russell rushed for over 300 yards his Sr year. The stats I saw on Minshew said he barely rushed for 100 this past year.

A QB that only runs for 100 yards in one season of HS doesnt belong in our offense

[sandwolf]

No..

I'm saying that Russell rushed for over 300 yards his Sr year. The stats I saw on Minshew said he barely rushed for 100 this past year.

A QB that only runs for 100 yards in one season of HS doesnt belong in our offense

Fair enough.

[esplanade91]

Brett Favre averaged 4 passes a game his senior year. Stats don't tell the whole story, evident in us giving Fitz a scholly this year.

Not advocating giving the guy a scholarship or allowing him to compete as a full ride academic walk-on. Just throwing that out there. I do put a lot of weight on a guy who's a 3 year starter in 6A who's picked up a lot of achievements on the way wanting to be at MSU more than any other school if he had the choice though...

[Coach34]

Brett Favre averaged 4 passes a game his senior year. Stats don't tell the whole story, evident in us giving Fitz a scholly this year.

Fitz getting a scholly shows you the importance of our QB's running the football.

Chris Relf was our leading rusher in 2010
Perkins had 3 more carries in 2013 than Prescott.

[whosyourdawgy]

Don't be so sure.

His heart is 100% Dawg. His grades put him at school for free wherever he wants to go in the SEC sans Vanderbilt.

We've got a legit shot to get him even without a scholarship offer -- as long as he's guaranteed a fair chance and a scholly if/when he earns it.

WYD -- please spare me on the "not walking on anywhere" line. I have pretty good insight on him. Better personal insight than any other recruit in the last couple of classes.

All I will say to this is you'd better get on your phone with your distant family because whoever is telling you this isn't as close as you think. There is ZERO chance of what you are saying will happen. I am no inside guy by any means, but there is a better chance of Rick Ray winning a national title next season than Gardner Minshew walking on at MSU. And I have never had insight to any recruit, but trust me on this one.

[Political Hack]

Hack- you were still trying to tell us 3/4 of the way thru last season Russell was a better QB than Dakota

Minshew is a career back-up at State and doesn't fit what we do

Dak wasn't ready at the beginning of the season despite the fact that he took over late. He missed spring. Had never started. His first start he lost because we couldn't convert a 3rd down in 25 minutes. He wasn't ready.

Minshew may be a backup until he's a Sr at state with Staley in front of him, but to say he can't run the ball is ignorant. it's like suggesting Bret Favre couldn't throw the ball because he ran the wing-T in high school.

[engie]

All I will say to this is you'd better get on your phone with your distant family because whoever is telling you this isn't as close as you think. There is ZERO chance of what you are saying will happen. I am no inside guy by any means, but there is a better chance of Rick Ray winning a national title next season than Gardner Minshew walking on at MSU. And I have never had insight to any recruit, but trust me on this one.

K.

[MSUDawg4Life]

K.

Wow. A one-letter response from Engie? Conceding without a fight? What has this world come to?

Engie, are you alright? You must be sick this morning.

[engie]

Wow. A one-letter response from Engie? Conceding without a fight? What has this world come to?

Engie, are you alright? You must be sick this morning.

"Conceding?" No.

I'm just not trying to argue with "know it alls" on a fluid recruiting situation 11 months before signing day. We will see. I never made a declarative statement in the first place -- I pointed to something that is a VERY DISTINCT possibility if he doesn't get other BCS offers. I always find it funny when people think they know what a kid is really thinking more than his blood relatives, probably because of stuff said by he/his parents in public settings -- which might as well be a press release saying "everyone that is interested, please recruit Gardner"...

[whosyourdawgy]

"Conceding?" No.

I'm just not trying to argue with "know it alls" on a fluid recruiting situation 11 months before signing day. We will see. I never made a declarative statement in the first place -- I pointed to something that is a VERY DISTINCT possibility if he doesn't get other BCS offers. I always find it funny when people think they know what a kid is really thinking more than his blood relatives, probably because of stuff said by he/his parents in public settings -- which might as well be a press release saying "everyone that is interested, please recruit Gardner"...

I don't know it all about anything or anyone. I don't know it all about Gardner Minshew. But I do know why he went to Birmingham instead of Hattiesburg. I do know what his dad said about your walk on comment. K. It ain't happening. And I am not going to argue with you either. I want what is best for Minshew. I would love to have him at MSU and would love to see him be a great qb for us in about 3 years after Dak is gone. But he is not a read option qb and will not be running the ball except on very few occasions or when the pass is not there and he runs. So that means he is not a fit for Dan's system right now. Whether Dan would do anything to change his approach for a qb like Gardner is the question, and the answer is probably not. So, unless there is something that Dan and Johnson see over this next high school football season that they will change for him, Minshew will probably not be wearing maroon. I hate it because qb's with his potential don't come up in MS very often.

Oh, and I typically love your insight and analysis on recruiting about things I have no knowledge of. But your insight on this one is just not correct. You are actually one of the main posters that I will stop and read what's said. Love what you do on the Rant and typically agree with you way more than I disagree. Just as a fyi