I know how folks feel here about Minshew but check this out

[hacker]

I get the dual threat thing completely. But I've also watched Minshew's tape. The kid can run the ball. I'm going to be disappointed if we don't get him.

[engie]

I like Minshew -- he's a distant relative of mine -- and I'd love to see him end up in maroon and white(a pretty real possibility we can get him as a walk-on -- rumor is his grades will give him a free ride to basically anywhere he wants to go -- and he just MAY love MSU that much) but having not seen them both together, I still prefer J'Mar Smith for his "fit" and "ceiling" in the offense. Pretty sure J'Mar could play other positions as well. His athleticism is off the charts.

That said -- some things may change with Johnson here in our approach to QB recruiting -- and I'm fine with that. It's nice to have options at the position instead of one or two prospects that we've got our fingers crossed about.

[Political Hack]

I get the dual threat thing completely. But I've also watched Minshew's tape. The kid can run the ball. I'm going to be disappointed if we don't get him.

stupid people gonna stupid.

[War Machine Dawg]

stupid people gonna stupid.

Everyone tried telling us Tyler Russell was a pro-style QB who could run the ball, too. Used the same tired comparison to Alex Smith. We all know which side wound up right about that one. Bottom line, in today's college football unless you're an Alabama or LSU with a massive NFL quality OL, you better go with a highly mobile QB. Defenses are too damn fast to be stuck with immobile pocket passing QBs. The only way that works now is if said immobile QB is a future NFL QB.

[sandwolf]

Everyone tried telling us Tyler Russell was a pro-style QB who could run the ball, too. Used the same tired comparison to Alex Smith. We all know which side wound up right about that one. Bottom line, in today's college football unless you're an Alabama or LSU with a massive NFL quality OL, you better go with a highly mobile QB. Defenses are too damn fast to be stuck with immobile pocket passing QBs. The only way that works now is if said immobile QB is a future NFL QB.

Anyone that had seen Tyler Russell play and had half a brain knew that he was not a legitimate threat to run the ball. Minshew is in no way comparable to Russell. I do not know anything about his size, but I have watched his highlights and he can run the ball well enough to at least be a threat that other teams would have to account for......that was never the case with Russell.

[smootness]

I actually see Minshew as a better downfield runner than Staley. if Minshew had half the arm strength of Staley he'd be a 4 star kid. That's the hold up. He's fine athletically despite not being required to run in his HS offense. Staley will be a grinder with his size and being able to plunge run for 3-6 yards a pop when needed. Minshew runs to open space well.

I'm not saying we shouldn't want Minshew. I'm just saying that based on his tape, he doesn't run as well as Staley does. You're underestimating Staley's athleticism. He is 6'7" and big, but he is by no means a 'grinder'. He can get it to the outside and take it to the house as well.

He won't be a great change-of-direction guy, but neither is Prescott. I guarantee you Staley is faster than Relf.

[preachermatt83]

I'm not saying we shouldn't want Minshew. I'm just saying that based on his tape, he doesn't run as well as Staley does. You're underestimating Staley's athleticism. He is 6'7" and big, but he is by no means a 'grinder'. He can get it to the outside and take it to the house as well.

He won't be a great change-of-direction guy, but neither is Prescott. I guarantee you Staley is faster than Relf.

I will be mocked for this statement but in the end I will be the one who is right.... STALEY=CAM! BOOM!

[Johnson85]

I think he's a can't miss talent who could run in out offense as well if not better than Tyson Les did. Staley isn't a run first guy either. We're not scared to take the best QB. I can't begin to understand why some folks continually fail to see this...

That's a surprising choice of words to praise him coming from somebody that wants us to give the guy a scholly.

[Political Hack]

That's a surprising choice of words to praise him coming from somebody that wants us to give the guy a scholly.

Tyson Lee ran the ball incredibly well in our offense considering his size and limited time in the offense. He couldn't see over the LOS. That was his hold up. The reason we almost made a bowl that season was due to the running game between he and Dixon.

Tyler has straight line speed, but he knocked knee'd. Always had been. he grew out of it some, but he's not an agile runner by any means. To compare him against Minshew is incredibly misleading.

Also, I've reviewed a tape or two before and brought staffs' attention to talented football players who were then offered. I'm telling you right now, Minshew can run the ball and is a better natural runner than Staley will be in our system. I would expect Staley to be a tougher runner but he's going to be a big bruiser type who's a hell of a pocket passer.

This love affair with "run first" QB's is absurd. They're trying to strike a balance. Minshew, Fitz, Dak, and Staley all got that mold. The hold up on Minshew is NOT his wheels. It's his arm strength.

[whosyourdawgy]

Engie, Gardner will not be walking on anywhere. He just won the MVP at the Alabama Rivals camp over arguably better talent than he would've faced in Hattiesburg. He is about 6 1 1/2 right now and closer to 220 than 215 and still growing. Everyone dogs his arm strength but I just don't understand that either. He can make all the throws and can zip it when he needs to. I think this is one of those wait and see guys that when the first offer rolls in, several others will follow. He has been to both Starkville and Hell enough to know the staffs well and know where he stands with each. I'm just telling all of you that this kid is football smart beyond his years and is gonna be a very good college qb for some lucky team. He is not going to be a running qb. He is plenty mobile enough to work the pocket and can read defenses better than anyone that was on our roster the last 4 years. He may not, well at this time, probably will not end up in Starkville. I just don't want him to go to a team we face every stinking year and us have to watch him pick our asses apart for 2 or 3 years. I don't ever predict how high school kids will be in college but this kid is gonna be a good one. Maybe the new qb coach will look at his tape and see something that can get things rolling our way. I'm not showing my want for him to be a Bulldog am I?

[Political Hack]

his arm strength is a question. doesn't mean it's poor. he just hasn't shown it on his film.

[Todd4State]

Engie, Gardner will not be walking on anywhere. He just won the MVP at the Alabama Rivals camp over arguably better talent than he would've faced in Hattiesburg. He is about 6 1 1/2 right now and closer to 220 than 215 and still growing. Everyone dogs his arm strength but I just don't understand that either. He can make all the throws and can zip it when he needs to. I think this is one of those wait and see guys that when the first offer rolls in, several others will follow. He has been to both Starkville and Hell enough to know the staffs well and know where he stands with each. I'm just telling all of you that this kid is football smart beyond his years and is gonna be a very good college qb for some lucky team. He is not going to be a running qb. He is plenty mobile enough to work the pocket and can read defenses better than anyone that was on our roster the last 4 years. He may not, well at this time, probably will not end up in Starkville. I just don't want him to go to a team we face every stinking year and us have to watch him pick our asses apart for 2 or 3 years. I don't ever predict how high school kids will be in college but this kid is gonna be a good one. Maybe the new qb coach will look at his tape and see something that can get things rolling our way. I'm not showing my want for him to be a Bulldog am I?

All we as Joe Fans can do is go off of what we have seen thus far- and that's why people are saying the things that they are. If he has improved, we will all see It for ourselves next season, and I do think he can and will get there. You probably have some inside information and therefore insight that a lot of us don't have- but can't assume either.

Minshew coming in as a walk-on would be the best thing for us- and it would help us out because we could use another spot in our class on another scholarship player while getting an athletic scholarship caliber QB in Minshew who could potentially help us. One thing that Ole Miss has done a lot better than us historically is getting those Matt Luke types to walk-on and then finding them aid.

If I was Dan I would make it very clear why I would want him to walk on and also very clear that I intend to give him a more than fair chance to win the QB job during his time at MSU. We basically did the same thing with Tyson Lee. I would also make it clear that we are going to keep recruiting J'Mar Smith as well.

[preachermatt83]

he is not 6'2... he's not 6'1 1/2... he's lucky to even smell 6 foot. his arm is questionable. His does not fit our offense well. j'mar is better we are not going to take two qb's in this class. end of story. The ONLY way he will ever be in Maroon and White is as a walk on.

[whosyourdawgy]

OK, whatever you say preachermatt. But you are wrong. Look, I know you and others aren't high on him and think j'mar is head and shoulders above him and everyone else for that matter, but Gardner Minshew has started at a 6A school in MS for 3 years already and will lead Brandon again this year. How many high school qb's start for 4 years? Not many. He won the QB MVP in Birmingham over the weekend. J'Mar didn't at Hattiesburg. I've linked the pictures from the Birmingham camp where he won the mvp. Look at his pic then click the back arrow to see the pic before that for the 6'2" Dekalyn Metcalf from Oxford who as a junior won the WR MVP there. Minshew is right there with him in height by lookin at the 2 dudes beside them. It's still way early and we have a long way to go til next signing day. If Minshew can have a breakout season which has already been solid, it will be interesting to see where his recruitment goes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/photos/mvp-a...ham-slideshow/

[Todd4State]

While we are splitting hairs on height- J'Mar is also listed at 6'1".

[Ifyouonlyknew]

OK, whatever you say preachermatt. But you are wrong. Look, I know you and others aren't high on him and think j'mar is head and shoulders above him and everyone else for that matter, but Gardner Minshew has started at a 6A school in MS for 3 years already and will lead Brandon again this year. How many high school qb's start for 4 years? Not many. He won the QB MVP in Birmingham over the weekend. J'Mar didn't at Hattiesburg. I've linked the pictures from the Birmingham camp where he won the mvp. Look at his pic then click the back arrow to see the pic before that for the 6'2" Dekalyn Metcalf from Oxford who as a junior won the WR MVP there. Minshew is right there with him in height by lookin at the 2 dudes beside them. It's still way early and we have a long way to go til next signing day. If Minshew can have a breakout season which has already been solid, it will be interesting to see where his recruitment goes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/photos/mvp-a...ham-slideshow/

Not to get in the middle of this debate but J'mar will be a 4yr starter at a 6A school also. Concerning the Rivals camp shouldn't a pocket passer do better than a dual threat kid? The camp is basically staying in the pocket making passes not including any of what makes a dual threat qb dangerous. Part of the reason no dual threat guys ever win or get invited to the Elite 11 finals.

[Political Hack]

J'Mar is an incredible athlete. Minshew is an incredible QB. I hope the end up with both somehow.

what's hilarious to me is that people were drooling over the Garrett kid from Tupelo 5-6 years ago. Minshew is the same QB in the pocket times two and more athletic.

[hacker]

I posted this in a previous thread, but I'll do it again.

[whosyourdawgy]

Not to get in the middle of this debate but J'mar will be a 4yr starter at a 6A school also. Concerning the Rivals camp shouldn't a pocket passer do better than a dual threat kid? The camp is basically staying in the pocket making passes not including any of what makes a dual threat qb dangerous. Part of the reason no dual threat guys ever win or get invited to the Elite 11 finals.

Agree with this 100 percent. It's making throws and doing drills. The pocket passer is gonna do better than the qb that uses his legs more. But I don't know about you but I want my qb to be able to do well in those drills too and most dual threats get this better once in college. It's also not having to read defenses or make decisions. Just make throws. And Minshew with his weak arm and all won over some pretty good qb's from 'Bama. But Minshew's biggest strength to me is reading D's and making the right throw.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Agree with this 100 percent. It's making throws and doing drills. The pocket passer is gonna do better than the qb that uses his legs more. But I don't know about you but I want my qb to be able to do well in those drills too and most dual threats get this better once in college. It's also not having to read defenses or make decisions. Just make throws. And Minshew with his weak arm and all won over some pretty good qb's from 'Bama. But Minshew's biggest strength to me is reading D's and making the right throw.

I agree I do want my qb able to do that but I also realize a kid like Gardner is at an advantage due to his style plus the offense he's currently in. No diff than Dak going to a passing camp with Aaron Murray, Mett, & McCarron. Those guys would all throw better than Dak but Dak is still the qb I'd want leading our team.