Some of you fans are so ignorant its comical here is our football record for last 22y

[Goldendawg]

That Heath kick shoulda been the exact moment we all knew he was truly a rebel deep down

Looking back, we should have tried him at punter or kicker after that in 2021. Might have solved our ST woes!****

[confucius say]

No. Not once did I ever say we should fire Mullen.

You wanted him gone. I told you we couldn't because we would be the laughing stock of cfb. You argued for a while and said you would prefer he left and was no longer our coach. You did this after multiple years, including 2015.

[lastmajordog]

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[Coach34]

You wanted him gone. I told you we couldn't because we would be the laughing stock of cfb. You argued for a while and said you would prefer he left and was no longer our coach. You did this after multiple years, including 2015.

I always said we could not fire him. His coaching was never the issue with me. I defended the hell out of him in 2013 when people around here were calling for his head. But I was ready for him to go after 2015 and his ordeal with Miami. The constant shopping during Egg Bowl week got old. But repeat- not once did I ever say he should be fired.

[HoopsDawg]

Looking at the post title......should the “DOGS” just accept not wanting better?

I don't feel like reading this thread but we are somewhere around 30th in the country as far as athetic budget, value, etc. With our fertile recruiting territory and the new SEC deal coming soon, you could make a strong case we are a Top 25 program. That's night and day from 20-30 years ago. So any analysis of who we are has to start with that. It's very easy to go 6-6 at MSU these days. In Rocky Felker or Jackie's day, it was hard as hell to go 6-5. We weren't much different than USM.

So anytime some idiot poster talks about our past, I immediately tune out. It's not that relevant.

[confucius say]

I always said we could not fire him. His coaching was never the issue with me. I defended the hell out of him in 2013 when people around here were calling for his head. But I was ready for him to go after 2015 and his ordeal with Miami. The constant shopping during Egg Bowl week got old. But repeat- not once did I ever say he should be fired.

I know it was his job shopping that irked you the most.
But my point was contrast that with lane and OM fans. Lane wanted Miami last year and is looking to get out now, but OM fans dont want him to go. Nor should they.

[CadaverDawg]

Not if Leach were the coach doing it. He would be more popular than now, but still not particularly close to 100% approval.

What a dumb post. Every single MSU fan would be happy with Leach if he gave us Kiffin results. The reason you say we wouldn't is because you know we'll never know because his pirate ass isn't ever going to get us there.

[Quaoarsking]

What a dumb post. Every single MSU fan would be happy with Leach if he gave us Kiffin results. The reason you say we wouldn't is because you know we'll never know because his pirate ass isn't ever going to get us there.

When has "every single fan" ever agreed on anything?

[BrunswickDawg]

What a dumb post. Every single MSU fan would be happy with Leach if he gave us Kiffin results. The reason you say we wouldn't is because you know we'll never know because his pirate ass isn't ever going to get us there.

Lemonis got us that Natty in your footnote and people wanted him gone this season.

[msstate7]

Lemonis got us that Natty in your footnote and people wanted him gone this season.

Has lane had a flop season like that at OM? If OM went 4-8 under lane next season, there would be OM fans calling for him to be fired.

[BrunswickDawg]

Has lane had a flop season like that at OM? If OM went 4-8 under lane next season, there would be OM fans calling for him to be fired.

First, 26-30 in baseball is more like 5-7.

Second, if Dart, Altmeyer, the FR RB, and Mingo all got injured and they went 4-8 or 5-7 OM would hang a banner and proclaim themselves the winningest most injured team ever, and that their coach was still a genius because they ran the Wild Rebel offense to adapt. That is how they are wired.

[BeardoMSU]

What a dumb post. Every single MSU fan would be happy with Leach if he gave us Kiffin results.

Its not just Kiffin results, but rather some semblance of upward trajectory. Realistically, I think we all knew Kiffin was set up for much quicker success than Mike was just due to scheme/roster. I was excited to see Mike's offense here and was hopeful it would work; even after the ups and downs of 2020 and '21. The best option for all involved was for it to work. However, now in year 3, the offense is clearly regressing in several areas, most notably WR and QB. And it's the inconsistencies and seemingly total lack of adjustments that are especially frustrating. The OL play this year has mostly been a pleasant surprise, but the entire gimmick of this offense is pretty much void if we can't move the ****ing ball.

And obviously it's not just against teams like Bama and Georgia, but just how pitiful we always look week to week. Again: consistency. Clearly KY was a BAAAAAD loss. At the time, LSU was an ugly loss, and at worst a game we pissed away...bc the offense was anemic, as it often is; a trademark for Leach at MSU. That 11 possession stretch against Auburn was like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.

It's also a sign of things hearing how ****ing tone-deaf Mike is when he bitches about players and "their fat little girlfriends", how the team is scared of Bama's uniform (not a problem for the D, apparently, according to Arnett), how some players aren't hungry, etc....as if he isn't the one putting them on the field and calling the plays.

[Cooterpoot]

Lemonis got us that Natty in your footnote and people wanted him gone this season.

Nobody but less than a handful of idiots who probably aren't even State fans wanted Lemonis fired. There's a huge difference. Your take is silly.

[basedog]

Its not just Kiffin results, but rather some semblance of upward trajectory. Realistically, I think we all knew Kiffin was set up for much quicker success than Mike was just due to scheme/roster. I was excited to see Mike's offense here and was hopeful it would work; even after the ups and downs of 2020 and '21. The best option for all involved was for it to work. However, now in year 3, the offense is clearly regressing in several areas, most notably WR and QB. And it's the inconsistencies and seemingly total lack of adjustments that are especially frustrating. The OL play this year has mostly been a pleasant surprise, but the entire gimmick of this offense is pretty much void if we can't move the ****ing ball.

And obviously it's not just against teams like Bama and Georgia, but just how pitiful we always look week to week. Again: consistency. Clearly KY was a BAAAAAD loss. At the time, LSU was an ugly loss, and at worst a game we pissed away...bc the offense was anemic, as it often is; a trademark for Leach at MSU. That 11 possession stretch against Auburn was like watching a trainwreck in slow motion.

It's also a sign of things hearing how ****ing tone-deaf Mike is when he bitches about players and "their fat little girlfriends", how the team is scared of Bama's uniform (not a problem for the D, apparently, according to Arnett), how some players aren't hungry, etc....as if he isn't the one putting them on the field and calling the plays.

You win! I totally agree. He has yet to make adjustments especially at Lsu and Ky game.

[confucius say]

The real question is whether we want to scrap a 7-5 program and start over or give the guy a chance to tweak things. Like getting a playmaker at qb.

Leach = Dan in a lot of ways. It took Dan until year 5/6 to get a playmaker at qb.

[Coach34]

The real question is whether we want to scrap a 7-5 program and start over or give the guy a chance to tweak things. Like getting a playmaker at qb.

Leach = Dan in a lot of ways. It took Dan until year 5/6 to get a playmaker at qb.

But Mullen showed he could win 8 games with lesser talented guys. Leach hasnt

I dont think anybody hates Leach. It's just his unwillingness to adapt a little.

[confucius say]

But Mullen showed he could win 8 games with lesser talented guys. Leach hasnt

I dont think anybody hates Leach. It's just his unwillingness to adapt a little.

In 2012 we went 8-4. The best win was against 5-7 TN. This team easily goes 8-4 against that schedule. KY was 2-10 in 2012.

Dan went 8-4 in 2010. That roster had 15 guys who played in the nfl. But I'm not taking anything away from Dan there. It was a good team, even if we only beat one team with a winning record (FLA).

Leach has shown he can go 7-5. We will see about 8-4.

I fully agree he needs to adapt a little. I hope recruiting playmakers at the qb position is a sign of that.

[TrapGame]

But Mullen showed he could win 8 games with lesser talented guys. Leach hasnt

I dont think anybody hates Leach. It's just his unwillingness to adapt a little.

This is where I have landed now. I like Leach and think some of the offensive problems are on Will's shoulders. His decisions and reactions are holding the offense back. However, it's on Leach to make adjustments. Make a concerted effort to run the ball more which includes some designed QB runs for short yardage 1st downs and red zone visits.

[Coach34]

However, it's on Leach to make adjustments. Make a concerted effort to run the ball more which includes some designed QB runs for short yardage 1st downs and red zone visits.

Yeah this is something I forgot to include in Sunday Morning QB. We threw the ball both times on 4th and 1 and got neither one. The 2nd one tho was just terrible. We came out of the huddle after a timeout expecting man coverage so we threw the ball to Woody on a swing out of the backfield. Problem was Georgia was in zone and blew it the **** up. Leach is just awful in short yardage with this offense.

[99jc]

Yeah this is something I forgot to include in Sunday Morning QB. We threw the ball both times on 4th and 1 and got neither one. The 2nd one tho was just terrible. We came out of the huddle after a timeout expecting man coverage so we threw the ball to Woody on a swing out of the backfield. Problem was Georgia was in zone and blew it the **** up. Leach is just awful in short yardage with this offense.

This I totally agree with.