Look, Ray could have played Daniels this year and won 6-8 SEC games

[MadDawg]

He's gonna get 4 years

Of course he will get four years. That will be the first year he's had ANY expectations, so how do you fire someone that you havne't had any expectations for up to that point?

[601Dawg]

Next year is all Ray. Nobody has ever said different

I'm bookmarking this thread and this quote Coach.

[Dawg61]

Hmmm JohnRick Ray is guaranteeing a full roster. 1) I'll believe it when it's that way for game 1 tip. 2) now do y'all see why I've been bringing this up so much? The message got delivered. No more skeleton rosters. 13 means 13.

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Hmmm JohnRick Ray is guaranteeing a full roster. 1) I'll believe it when it's that way for game 1 tip. 2) now do y'all see why I've been bringing this up so much? The message got delivered. No more skeleton rosters. 13 means 13.

1. a full roster does not necessarily mean 13 players on scholly - you don't even know where the forest is located because you are too busy staring at a small piece of bark on the first tree; 2. I can assure you that Rick Ray did not say this because you were on message boards shouting the number 13 as if the world is about to end. 3. Halfway through typing this I have realized that you won't understand anything I am typing

[whosyourdawgy]

Ray absolutely has to take blame for Daniels not being fully qualified this season. How can that not be the responsibility of the coaching staff to keep an eye on a kid who may or may not qualify? Especially when you are in desperate need of players of any shape form or size? If it's true that Daniels only needed the one class to pass to be eligible, then it shouldn't have been very hard to check the progress of that one class. But year 2 of a coach on a devastated team that needs players in the worst way and he has 3 recruits for that class and only ONE of them actually can put on a uniform to start the season is absolutely terrible. Now booting Wendell and Zdeck for smoking the weed is to be commended and not allowing Jalen to redshirt was most definitely the correct move. And while Daniels not being eligible is a big check mark on the terrible side, Ray would've only compounded that mistake by playing him this season.

Let's just hope and pray none of the current players other than Davis leaves the team, and all the signees actually make their grades and get on campus and can play next season. I also hope Ray can find a decent player to fill the 13th scholly. Whether it's another big or a shooter. We do not need another 6 foot guard period!

[Sandman14]

Yeah count me out. Just like if we signed a bunch of women to play football. I won't be there for the bloodbath on Saturdays. I will be here, however, to point out the ignorance of others who damage MSU through their exercise of free speech in running off all the positive things about the university.

[HailState39110]

We would have been a much better team with Daniels and Ware inside during SEC play- with Borchert coming off the bench. Roq could have played the 3 some- and we could have actually had a big line-up out there in some games to match other teams. But Ray didnt do that- why?

Because what is best for the long term health of the program- win 3-4 more games this season? Or have Daniels and Ware playing together for the next 2 full seasons? Program building is never easy. But he made the right decision and we'll start seeing the benefits next year

2015 is on Ray and we'll see if he delivers

I love the way people count the games we barely lost as an automatic win if we had a few more bodies (at Vandy, Arkansas) but they don't remember beating Texas A&M in OT or Ole Miss getting a shot at the buzzer to tie it. We easily could have gone 1-17 in SEC play rather than 6-12

[Dawg61]

1. a full roster does not necessarily mean 13 players on scholly - you don't even know where the forest is located because you are too busy staring at a small piece of bark on the first tree; 2. I can assure you that Rick Ray did not say this because you were on message boards shouting the number 13 as if the world is about to end. 3. Halfway through typing this I have realized that you won't understand anything I am typing

Why is Ray "guaranteeing" he'll have a full roster if that concern hadn't been delivered to him somehow? Keep trying to be cool though bud.

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Why is Ray "guaranteeing" he'll have a full roster if that concern hadn't been delivered to him somehow? Keep trying to be cool though bud.

He says that because he has coached 2 seasons now with less than a full deck. Everyone knows that you need a full deck to be able to compete - just look at Vandy this year. Ray isn't mentioning it because people on message boards think its a big deal. He's mentioning it because he knows he cannot win with 8 total players. It's really simple actually. To be clear, no one disagrees that we need a full compliment of players - it's your hangup on the number 13 that is making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Dawg61]

If I had above a 0% confidence level that we won't have multiple transfers/suspensions/injuries/non-qualifiers then I wouldn't be stressing the full 13 so much. Ray hasn't put a full roster together yet. After two seasons he still doesn't have one. We'll see if he can manage to get 13 by game 1 14-15. I'm saying there ain't no way he gets it done. That's how bad Rick Ray is. He can not even complete a full roster when getting called out 10 months before the deadline is due. 10 ****ing months and just watch he still won't accomplish the most simplest of tasks. Completing a full roster.

[smootness]

If I had above a 0% confidence level that we won't have multiple transfers/suspensions/injuries/non-qualifiers then I wouldn't be stressing the full 13 so much. Ray hasn't put a full roster together yet. After two seasons he still doesn't have one. We'll see if he can manage to get 13 by game 1 14-15. I'm saying there ain't no way he gets it done. That's how bad Rick Ray is. He can not even complete a full roster when getting called out 10 months before the deadline is due. 10 ****ing months and just watch he still won't accomplish the most simplest of tasks. Completing a full roster.

You have officially entered into 'senile' territory. You have completely lost your mind over this entire discussion and are now at least as bad as any poster on this site.

Congrats.

[thf24]

Hmmm JohnRick Ray is guaranteeing a full roster. 1) I'll believe it when it's that way for game 1 tip. 2) now do y'all see why I've been bringing this up so much? The message got delivered. No more skeleton rosters. 13 means 13.

Do you seriously think you, personally, through a message board, are influencing our athletic programs? Many of your posts seem to indicate just that, I'm just having an extremely tough time wrapping my head around that one.

[dawgs]

He says that because he has coached 2 seasons now with less than a full deck. Everyone knows that you need a full deck to be able to compete - just look at Vandy this year. Ray isn't mentioning it because people on message boards think its a big deal. He's mentioning it because he knows he cannot win with 8 total players. It's really simple actually. To be clear, no one disagrees that we need a full compliment of players - it's your hangup on the number 13 that is making a mountain out of a molehill.

vandy is still .500 overall and 7-11 in the sec. with a SoS 130 spots better than ours. if we were performing on about vandy's level in the W-L columns, both in and out of conference, most of us would see some progress and somewhat optimistic about next year. however, we aren't even on close to vandy's level right now.

it's like when yall point out tenn, lsu, arky, bama, etc. not winning with all their stars. guess what? except bama, they are all still a hell of a lot better than we are in the W-L columns against stronger schedules. and bama played the #2 SoS in the country and is about to fire their coach for not winning more.

it's like if they aren't florida or duke or arizona, then they are just as shitty as we are.

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Vandy is a perennial tournament-caliber team that struggled this year due to a lot of injuries. They are still coached by a good coach that has been there for years building that program, and are not in rebuilding mode. I didn't bring them up to compare our programs, I brought them up as part of the point that no one wins with 7-8 total players.

[C222]

Do you seriously think you, personally, through a message board, are influencing our athletic programs? Many of your posts seem to indicate just that, I'm just having an extremely tough time wrapping my head around that one.

Yes, he actually does. Pretty sad, huh?

[Homedawg]

You have officially entered into 'senile' territory. You have completely lost your mind over this entire discussion and are now at least as bad as any poster on this site.

Congrats.

The disappointing thing is smoot it took you this long to figure it out!!! Just fill the roster he says. Smh!

[Homedawg]

Yes, he actually does. Pretty sad, huh?

Ray has enough problems of his own. However if he's listening to him, fire him immediately!

[BiscuitEater]

He's gonna get 4 years

significant improvement he won't.

At ~ 19% SEC win percentage, two consecutive seasons with 'MSU record setting' 13 game SEC loss streaks and ... regression from a 4 win SEC season in year one to a 3 win SEC season in year two, he HAS to have a way better year three.

The last State BB coach that ONLY got three years was Hatfield and his SEC win percentage ( ~ 38%) was TWICE Ray's

[BiscuitEater]

Because playing him for half of this season would leave us with a guy who runs out of eligibility halfway through the 2015-2016 season - playing him this season would have been short-sighted enough fro me to want to go ahead and fire Ray on the theory that he can't see the forest for the trees. Anyone who suggests that Daniels should have played this year isn't thinking it through clearly.

"IF" Daniels had played second semester this year, we would have some idea 'if' he was going to buckle down under Ray, he would have had a SEC season to improve while actually playing; more than likely, our record would 'probably' be better and the entire MSU fanbase 'may' have some idea that Ray 'can' coach.

Instead, Ray record has digressed, we know 'squat' about Daniels and Daniels my end up being at State longer than Ray.

[engie]

"IF" Daniels had played second semester this year, we would have some idea 'if' he was going to buckle down under Ray, he would have had a SEC season to improve while actually playing; more than likely, our record would 'probably' be better and the entire MSU fanbase 'may' have some idea that Ray 'can' coach.

Instead, Ray record has digressed, we know 'squat' about Daniels and Daniels my end up being at State longer than Ray.

So, we'll go ahead and throw your hat in the "sell your soul for a few more wins in year 2 of a rebuild that still doesn't get us even close to the postseason" crowd then...