Word is Bama is down a starting WR (Burton) and might be removed from team

[BlackSailsDawg]

I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

Regarding the $100K fine - I'm not sure what the University of Tennessee could do to keep fans from rushing the field. Seems like an impossible thing to do.

Back in the day... Wait... Back in my dad's day, Bama fans started to storm the field and the police started swinging their clubs. Cleared it pretty fast.

[Johnson85]

Nobody "heard" racism is not a fair statement. Several people "heard" it. BYU just did an "internal investigation" and no one that they interviewed CONFIRMED what the volleyball player heard. To note, they did not interview Duke players, coaches, fans. To also note, the banned (and now un-banned) person is a big time donor to the school. To also also note, this is not the first time that the state of Utah has had fans using slurs at sporting events.

Where are you getting any of this? Last I saw BYU was claiming to have reached out to Duke and BYU players and dozens of eye witnesses and everybody interviewed said they didn't hear anything racial. Did Duke deny that they spoke to their players? I know mormons have a history with racism, but is it really plausible you could sit in a stand surrounded by people and nobody react? I haven't been to BYU, but I've been to some pretty bassackwards places, including stands/bleachers of former citizen council schools and have never been in a place where you could yell out racial slurs without at least some of the people reacting to it.

https://byucougars.com/story/athleti...lleyball-match

Also, other sources reported that the banned fan was on the spectrum or something, not that he was a big time donor. Never seen anything to dispute that the fan was a big time donor, but just throwing that out there also.

[Homedawg]

Where are you getting any of this? Last I saw BYU was claiming to have reached out to Duke and BYU players and dozens of eye witnesses and everybody interviewed said they didn't hear anything racial. Did Duke deny that they spoke to their players? I know mormons have a history with racism, but is it really plausible you could sit in a stand surrounded by people and nobody react? I haven't been to BYU, but I've been to some pretty bassackwards places, including stands/bleachers of former citizen council schools and have never been in a place where you could yell out racial slurs without at least some of the people reacting to it.

https://byucougars.com/story/athleti...lleyball-match

Also, other sources reported that the banned fan was on the spectrum or something, not that he was a big time donor. Never seen anything to dispute that the fan was a big time donor, but just throwing that out there also.

Tater gonna tater

[Bdawg]

Nobody "heard" racism is not a fair statement. Several people "heard" it. BYU just did an "internal investigation" and no one that they interviewed CONFIRMED what the volleyball player heard. To note, they did not interview Duke players, coaches, fans. To also note, the banned (and now un-banned) person is a big time donor to the school. To also also note, this is not the first time that the state of Utah has had fans using slurs at sporting events.

There's nuance here. All evidence is circumstantial. Legally speaking, BYU did the correct, law-abiding thing. This does not necessarily mean that the accuser "lied". It can also mean that there's not enough evidence to corroborate their story. This means a court of government should not convict; however, a court of public opinion and common sense can make educated guesses at determining what happened.

This allows you to point to two things to bolster "your side". One side can say Duke females (the lacrosse story) have a preponderance to lie about bs. It's flimsy, but it's all you've got. The other side can point to Utah's numerous racially charged fan heckling that has had confirmed bannings several times in basketball and how many players specifically call that state's fans out and draw that conclusion. It's better, but it's nowhere near enough to sway people who can look at direct evidence and still call it fake.

So what should you do? Understand there is nuance. Let the facts come out. There's likely to be several videos storming the field come out. But if there isn't, then trust in guys like Saban to make the right decision for making the kid into a better man than one who swings at people (even if it could be 'justified'). I may not like playing against Saban, but I know that everything I've ever seen about him is a great man and great coach. If there's no decisive video/audio evidence either way then I trust him to make the right judgment.

Are you saying it would be justified to hit her if she made a racial comment? Just making sure that’s what you are saying.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Burton is warming up and stretching

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Where are you getting any of this? Last I saw BYU was claiming to have reached out to Duke and BYU players and dozens of eye witnesses and everybody interviewed said they didn't hear anything racial. Did Duke deny that they spoke to their players? I know mormons have a history with racism, but is it really plausible you could sit in a stand surrounded by people and nobody react? I haven't been to BYU, but I've been to some pretty bassackwards places, including stands/bleachers of former citizen council schools and have never been in a place where you could yell out racial slurs without at least some of the people reacting to it.

https://byucougars.com/story/athleti...lleyball-match

Also, other sources reported that the banned fan was on the spectrum or something, not that he was a big time donor. Never seen anything to dispute that the fan was a big time donor, but just throwing that out there also.

I already told him the falsely accused was a special needs student and has autism, but he wouldn't acknowledge that maybe he is wrong.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Of course he is. Saban isn't going to suspend a good player if it helps him win, even if it involves drugs, guns, and hitting women. Never let it be said again that Saban is a disciplinarian. What a freaking joke

[TUSK]

Of course he is. Saban isn't going to suspend a good player if it helps him win, even if it involves drugs, guns, and hitting women. Never let it be said again that Saban is a disciplinarian. What a freaking joke

No.

[ScoobaDawg]

No.

Seems to me he played... So what do you have to say about that?
Oh right. Saban said they "internally disciplined" him....

[Goldendawg]

Just read an article on MSN.com regarding the incident. Burton, along with Nick himself were both "scared" when TN fans mobbed the field. Nick talked to him and he has been in a counseling program to learn how to treat people better. Can't make some of these things up. SMH.

[Todd4State]

Just read an article on MSN.com regarding the incident. Burton, along with Nick himself were both "scared" when TN fans mobbed the field. Nick talked to him and he has been in a counseling program to learn how to treat people better. Can't make some of these things up. SMH.

What a crock.

[Commercecomet24]

Just read an article on MSN.com regarding the incident. Burton, along with Nick himself were both "scared" when TN fans mobbed the field. Nick talked to him and he has been in a counseling program to learn how to treat people better. Can't make some of these things up. SMH.

Gimme a break. I used to really respect Saban. He's become so whiny. His little
rant after the loss last weekend was something akin to JoMo and his bs. Screw Saban and bama

[Commercecomet24]

Seems to me he played... So what do you have to say about that?
Oh right. Saban said they "internally disciplined" him....

He probably has to do 20 push-ups lol

[RocketDawg]

Gimme a break. I used to really respect Saban. He's become so whiny. His little
rant after the loss last weekend was something akin to JoMo and his bs. Screw Saban and bama

Agree. Here's a similar article on FoxNews. All the comments are negative toward Saban, as they should be. I doubt the guy being in the game made much if any difference, but he shoudn't be in the game. Probably should be legally charged. Saban has handled other things "internally", which apparently means doing nothing. If one of our players slugged a fan of our team or the opposing team, I'd hope he would no longer be playing for us, regardless of how good he is.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/alaba...-tennessee-fan

[RocketDawg]

It'll be interesting to see tomorrow how my golf buddies think, all of whom are sidewalk Bama fans. Will see if they even bring the subject up, gloat over the win, or what.

[Goldendawg]

He probably has to do 20 push-ups lol

I know that they are "student athletes", but that punishment would have also required tutors to ensure this punishment count was correct. Much bigger number than a snap count!*** Hail State!

[Goldendawg]

It'll be interesting to see tomorrow how my golf buddies think, all of whom are sidewalk Bama fans. Will see if they even bring the subject up, gloat over the win, or what.

Beware, they may be quite defensive. This morning at church I said to a real bama fan, "well, you would have won anyway but amazing how a team leading the nation in penalties gets one 5 yard penalty in the first three quarters and it becomes 2 hand touch on Young. Saben got the word across. He replied that you could call a penalty on every play if you wanted to. I thought, but didn't reply that didn't seem to happen to bama, as the first song was starting and I didn't want to get a "delay of game penalty" for not hitting the pew on time!** He also said, "Heck, we still have to play LSU". Guess they didn't beat us by enough.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

No.

What did I say that was incorrect? I looked at the box score and Burton played. Saban plays people who hit women. What did I get wrong?

[Commercecomet24]

I know that they are "student athletes", but that punishment would have also required tutors to ensure this punishment count was correct. Much bigger number than a snap count!*** Hail State!

Excellent! Can't rep you anymore!

[TUSK]

What did I say that was incorrect? I looked at the box score and Burton played. Saban plays people who hit women. What did I get wrong?

You said, "Saban isn't going to suspend a good player if it helps him win..." that's inaccurate.

I wanna go on the record as sayin' I don't condone smackin' chicks lest they be a potential threat. Was it confirmed that he "punched" the girl?