Word is Bama is down a starting WR (Burton) and might be removed from team

[Quaoarsking]

One of the team rules in place is if you hit a woman, you’re gone.

Yeah, according to Mike Leach's book, that's one of his 3 non-negotiable automatic rules he's enforced everywhere he's been. No second chances.

[WhiskeyPirate]

Yeah, according to Mike Leach's book, that's one of his 3 non-negotiable automatic rules he's enforced everywhere he's been. No second chances.

I’m not aware of any bad or criminal behavior by any of our players this year or last. We have a pretty good group of kids from everything I’ve seen.

[RocketDawg]

Cheap shot! Guy should be kicked off the team.

I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

Regarding the $100K fine - I'm not sure what the University of Tennessee could do to keep fans from rushing the field. Seems like an impossible thing to do.

[Catfish]

I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

Regarding the $100K fine - I'm not sure what the University of Tennessee could do to keep fans from rushing the field. Seems like an impossible thing to do.

Agreed, there's no way they're keeping 100,000 fans off the field.

[TUSK]

I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

Regarding the $100K fine - I'm not sure what the University of Tennessee could do to keep fans from rushing the field. Seems like an impossible thing to do.

Sure ya can... Just smack a few, and the rest will get the idea...

seriously, though... that's a really scary, unpredictable, vol I tile, situation...

Thank god it only comes around er decade, or so....

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[Tater]

I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

Regarding the $100K fine - I'm not sure what the University of Tennessee could do to keep fans from rushing the field. Seems like an impossible thing to do.

Just put an endzone club right below the student section and make the jump high enough to hurt onto unsafe concrete and easily stopped by having a small area to storm.

Has stopped the students ever since the renovation.

[msu15]

Sure ya can... Just smack a few, and the rest will get the idea...

seriously, though... that's a really scary, unpredictable, vol I tile, situation...

Thank god it only comes around er decade, or so....

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You just begging to whoop yo ass ain't ya?

[MSUDAWGFAN]

I suspect Saban will have nothing of that behavior. He'll likely be removed from the team and should be prosecuted.

As I've pointed out, Saban won't do a damn thing. Saban isn't going to do anything to hurt his teams chances of winning. If this guy was some 4th stringer, Saban would already be out in his press conference and pound the podium saying "He's off the team because that's not who we are." I know that because he did that for some JUCO transfer that never played. I was hoping he had changed from when Courtney Upshaw had a domestic violence charge against him and never missed 1 second of playing time, but nah, Saban is a hypocrite. And no disciplinarian at that.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

used a racial epitaph at the alleged perpetrator.

You might have heard this, but its a lie. How many times have we heard fake racism? The girl, and I fully acknowledge she shouldn't have been there, posed no physical threat and tried to get out of the way. Burton had to try to hit her, and he did. I also acknowledge he didn't hit her hard, but that doesn't make it ok either. No amount of lies or excuse making will make that ok. He will play. Of that there is no doubt. But the NCAA, the SEC, and any other governing body should step in, but they won't.

[NYDawg]

If Bama somehow manages to win the game and storms the field this weekend, we have to be better than this.***

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Will the female be expelled for going on the field after the game? She broke a rule too right?

[bulldawg28]

He hit another person too supposedly.

He knocked his camera down and stopped him from recording him.

[TUSK]

You might have heard this, but its a lie. How many times have we heard fake racism? The girl, and I fully acknowledge she shouldn't have been there, posed no physical threat and tried to get out of the way. Burton had to try to hit her, and he did. I also acknowledge he didn't hit her hard, but that doesn't make it ok either. No amount of lies or excuse making will make that ok. He will play. Of that there is no doubt. But the NCAA, the SEC, and any other governing body should step in, but they won't.

Wait, you saw this in person? Holy shit... gimme the scoop.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Wait, you saw this in person? Holy shit... gimme the scoop.

She was a college student that was happy her team won. She was rushing the field. She tried to duck out of the way and he was angry because she was in his way and had to reach out to hit her. Nobody else heard her say any racially charged wording. It was either made up by Burton, someone else made it up for him, or you made it up.

Did you hear about the Duke Volleyball player? Nobody heard racism there either. With as many people around and as fast as that interaction was, somebody would have heard it. Nobody, and I mean nobody in the media has reported anything about that. Surely someone would step up for Burton if this was the case.

Sounds like an Alabama fan defending his players no matter what. Just like the coach does. Everybody else is saying he needs to be kicked off the team. But Saban gonna Saban and allow women beaters to stay on his team if it helps him win just like he did with Courtney Upshaw.

[TUSK]

Thanks for the information. Unlike you, I was not there, so all my information is 2nd hand.

[Tater]

She was a college student that was happy her team won. She was rushing the field. She tried to duck out of the way and he was angry because she was in his way and had to reach out to hit her. Nobody else heard her say any racially charged wording. It was either made up by Burton, someone else made it up for him, or you made it up.

Did you hear about the Duke Volleyball player? Nobody heard racism there either. With as many people around and as fast as that interaction was, somebody would have heard it. Nobody, and I mean nobody in the media has reported anything about that. Surely someone would step up for Burton if this was the case.

Sounds like an Alabama fan defending his players no matter what. Just like the coach does. Everybody else is saying he needs to be kicked off the team. But Saban gonna Saban and allow women beaters to stay on his team if it helps him win just like he did with Courtney Upshaw.

Nobody "heard" racism is not a fair statement. Several people "heard" it. BYU just did an "internal investigation" and no one that they interviewed CONFIRMED what the volleyball player heard. To note, they did not interview Duke players, coaches, fans. To also note, the banned (and now un-banned) person is a big time donor to the school. To also also note, this is not the first time that the state of Utah has had fans using slurs at sporting events.

There's nuance here. All evidence is circumstantial. Legally speaking, BYU did the correct, law-abiding thing. This does not necessarily mean that the accuser "lied". It can also mean that there's not enough evidence to corroborate their story. This means a court of government should not convict; however, a court of public opinion and common sense can make educated guesses at determining what happened.

This allows you to point to two things to bolster "your side". One side can say Duke females (the lacrosse story) have a preponderance to lie about bs. It's flimsy, but it's all you've got. The other side can point to Utah's numerous racially charged fan heckling that has had confirmed bannings several times in basketball and how many players specifically call that state's fans out and draw that conclusion. It's better, but it's nowhere near enough to sway people who can look at direct evidence and still call it fake.

So what should you do? Understand there is nuance. Let the facts come out. There's likely to be several videos storming the field come out. But if there isn't, then trust in guys like Saban to make the right decision for making the kid into a better man than one who swings at people (even if it could be 'justified'). I may not like playing against Saban, but I know that everything I've ever seen about him is a great man and great coach. If there's no decisive video/audio evidence either way then I trust him to make the right judgment.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Nobody "heard" racism is not a fair statement. Several people "heard" it. BYU just did an "internal investigation" and no one that they interviewed CONFIRMED what the volleyball player heard. To note, they did not interview Duke players, coaches, fans. To also note, the banned (and now un-banned) person is a big time donor to the school. To also also note, this is not the first time that the state of Utah has had fans using slurs at sporting events.

There's nuance here. All evidence is circumstantial. Legally speaking, BYU did the correct, law-abiding thing. This does not necessarily mean that the accuser "lied". It can also mean that there's not enough evidence to corroborate their story. This means a court of government should not convict; however, a court of public opinion and common sense can make educated guesses at determining what happened.

This allows you to point to two things to bolster "your side". One side can say Duke females (the lacrosse story) have a preponderance to lie about bs. It's flimsy, but it's all you've got. The other side can point to Utah's numerous racially charged fan heckling that has had confirmed bannings several times in basketball and how many players specifically call that state's fans out and draw that conclusion. It's better, but it's nowhere near enough to sway people who can look at direct evidence and still call it fake.

So what should you do? Understand there is nuance. Let the facts come out. There's likely to be several videos storming the field come out. But if there isn't, then trust in guys like Saban to make the right decision for making the kid into a better man than one who swings at people (even if it could be 'justified'). I may not like playing against Saban, but I know that everything I've ever seen about him is a great man and great coach. If there's no decisive video/audio evidence either way then I trust him to make the right judgment.

The banned and now unbanned person was a special needs. He has autism. He isn't some big time donor to the school. He did acknowledge going up to Rachel Richardson because he thought he was a friend of his who played on BYU because they have the same color uniforms. Your info is incorrect.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...oiled-n1628112

Also, of note, there was a police officer standing directly in front of the student section. He didn't hear the taunts that supposedly Richardson did when he was standing closer to the student section than she was.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...-true-n1625648

Also also of note, the accuser's godmother is Lesa Pamplin, who has made several racist tweets. She and Richardson's father are the only 2 people who publicly back her, though it should be noted, neither was at the game. Also also also, Pamplin has been involved in fake accusations before.
https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-s...efore-n1627452

Here is a report from the student newspaper:

https://www.byucougarchronicle.org/p...ources-suggest

But really, that was just one of many false accusations. Here is another.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...acism-n1431676

Here is a youtube video on one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xhscv2-gCQ

There are many other false accusations out there. You mentioned the Duke Lacrosse team. False accusations aren't limited to Duke women. As a matter of fact, the Duke Lacrosse team accuser wasn't a Duke student.

Now, as far as Saban being a great coach? Sure. He will do anything to win. That includes as I've said in this very thread allowing guns, drugs, and hitting women to stay on his team if you can help him win.

For drugs, it was Tim Williams. In Tim Williams own words he failed "a few" drug tests while at Alabama and was never suspended for it.
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/possib...222748442.html

For illegal guns, it was Cam Robinson. He was arreseted for felony stolen gun possession in Louisiana. I know the DA dropped the charge because "I refuse to ruin some young man's future who spent his childhood outside when others spent theirs indoors in air conditining." But remember, Saban is a great man who has discipline within his program.

https://www.nola.com/sports/article_...2248c3099.html

For domestic violence, as I've already mentioned, it was Courtney Upshaw. I know the charge was dropped but Upshaw grabbed his then girlfriend by the back of the neck and pushed her towards the ground.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/bmwe...estic-violence

None of these guys were even suspended for 1 second. Saban allows drugs, guns and hitting women. A great man? You can think that if you want. I think my dad was a great man. He taught me I would never put my hands on a woman. And he wouldn't have tolerated that. Or illegal guns or drugs.

[Tater]

If you're gonna cite "pjmedia" to try to prove your "side"... Sheesh. I could go grab an equally ridiculous "proof" article from a left-wing nut job outlet and then we'd both be sitting here with our dicks in our hands "proving" nothing. Go outside instead of diving down rabbit holes looking for the "proof" you want.


And hey that's interesting you bring up Cam Robinson. He wasn't convicted of anything and authority decided not to punish him. Man don't that sound familiar. Also that's interesting you bring up Courtney Upshaw. So now we believe 100% when someone accuses even though there was conviction? Why aren't you yelling for BYU to leave the ban in place???

Let me know if I need to spell out how hypocritical you're being for tearing Saban down for being the same thing as the BYU admin you praised. I'll hang up and lissen

[MSUDAWGFAN]

If you're gonna cite "pjmedia" to try to prove your "side"... Sheesh. I could go grab an equally ridiculous "proof" article from a left-wing nut job outlet and then we'd both be sitting here with our dicks in our hands "proving" nothing. Go outside instead of diving down rabbit holes looking for the "proof" you want.


And hey that's interesting you bring up Cam Robinson. He wasn't convicted of anything and authority decided not to punish him. Man don't that sound familiar. Also that's interesting you bring up Courtney Upshaw. So now we believe 100% when someone accuses even though there was conviction? Why aren't you yelling for BYU to leave the ban in place???

Let me know if I need to spell out how hypocritical you're being for tearing Saban down for being the same thing as the BYU admin you praised. I'll hang up and lissen

Authority decided not to punish Cam Robinson because "I refuse to ruin some young man's future who spent his childhood outside when others spent theirs indoors in air conditioning does NOT mean "I don't have enough evidence to charge him." He did.

I also cited several other websites, including the BYU student newspaper report. You know, the people who actually looked into it rather than other supposed "real journalists" like ABC, NBC, etc. who just took Richardson's word for it because it fits their agenda. It's what happened with Nicholas Sandmann too. And they lost the case in court against him.

So what part did I get wrong? Was the accused a big time donor and not a special needs student at Utah State?

BYU initially rushed to judgement and banned a special needs kid. Once an investigation was done it was found otherwise, they unbanned him. There was no other evidence that Courtney Upshaw didn't grab the woman's neck, Tim Williams didn't really fail drug tests, Cam Robinson really didn't have possession of illegal stolen guns, or that Burton didn't really hit the Tennessee female student. In fact, there is video evidence of the last one. And on Upshaw, it isn't an accusation when he admits to cops he did it. You probably didn't read the link I put up. Here it is louder for the people in the back.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/bmwe...estic-violence

Upshaw told the police that the altercation began when Grzyb "slapped him?in reference to her having seen him talking to another woman." In the police report, Upshaw admitted to grabbing and pushing Grzyb. Grzyb said that she slapped Upshaw and walked away, and Upshaw began to chase her.

If anything comes out on the UT female student making any racist remark, first of all, I'd be shocked, but would fully support her being punished by the University up to expulsion. Like I have said earlier, she shouldn't have even been on the field.

[Tater]

All of your links on the byu incident are either pjmedia or BYU: "We investigated ourselves and found no evidence we did wrong." But hey, you said ABC/NBC aren't real news because it doesn't fit their agenda. Does it fit a Faith based school to have the perception they are racist?

But hey, you clearly were there and inside the decisions being made to not ruin Upshaw's life over his girlfriend slapping him and then him shoving her. Rooting for that is the definition of cancel culture. Saban molded him into a better man. But hey, you don't believe in second chances so maybe step off of pasting "Faith" based media outlets. You clearly don't have any or just decided to pick and choose what you wanted to follow.