Quote Originally Posted by R2Dawg View Post
That is fine but you keep saying I or others said he achieved some unattainable level of success. That was never said. 3 of JWS losing years were the last 3. I can't help any MSU fan who don't realize what JWS did at MSU. Even Dan credited JWS for setting the standard at MSU when he took the job.

JWS inherited a mess and had us winning immediately similar to Dan. That is how you know you got a great coach. JWS had a lot going on the last few years none of which were shopping for another job. Jackie was true maroon and was a winner, plain and simple.



I get what you're saying but he also left us on probation ... he also played an offense that would not be competitive for us today. Jackie had his day ... we need something much more to compete today. I don't know if that's Leach but it's gonna take something WAY different after NIL gets in full swing everywhere ... when was the last time aTm had a number one cruitin class - times are changing and we must change with them and if we don't have aTm's NIL type bank account then out of the ordinary coaches are all that's left - in other words, Leach or some other eccentric is our best shot