Time to drop Tanner and Luke down with Lane

[OLJWales]

Will banning the shift (something that has existed for over 100 years) bring you back?

Yep. It is what it is. It would be akin to banning loading the box in football or in a way the blitz. Batters need to know how to adapt and take advantage of the big wide open oppo gap.

[Homedawg]

Yep. It is what it is. It would be akin to banning loading the box in football or in a way the blitz. Batters need to know how to adapt and take advantage of the big wide open oppo gap.

Banning the shift is crap. Agree.

[BeardoMSU]

That shit is funny. Well done

[BeardoMSU]

Yep. It is what it is. It would be akin to banning loading the box in football or in a way the blitz. Batters need to know how to adapt and take advantage of the big wide open oppo gap.

Well said.

[Quaoarsking]

Banning the shift is crap. Agree.

Hopefully cooler heads prevail. It is a fundamentally different game if defenses aren't allowed to adjust for batters' tendencies, and batters can be rewarded for being so predictable and 1-dimension.

I remember one article where Joey Gallo was crying about how unfair the shift is, and when the reporter pointed out he could just bunt for some singles and then teams wouldn't be able to shift so extremely on him, his response was something along the lines of "but I don't want to bunt! I want to hit for power!!" like a spoiled brat who doesn't see the irony that once he proved he could hit bunt singles he'd get more opportunities to hit for power and also maybe get an average above his career high of .253 (his second best season in batting average was .209).

[parabrave]

That's why I go for the Asian Docs. Smaller fingers.

You were never in the Military!

[BeardoMSU]

Hopefully cooler heads prevail. It is a fundamentally different game if defenses aren't allowed to adjust for batters' tendencies, and batters can be rewarded for being so predictable and 1-dimension.

I remember one article where Joey Gallo was crying about how unfair the shift is, and when the reporter pointed out he could just bunt for some singles and then teams wouldn't be able to shift so extremely on him, his response was something along the lines of "but I don't want to bunt! I want to hit for power!!" like a spoiled brat who doesn't see the irony that once he proved he could hit bunt singles he'd get more opportunities to hit for power and also maybe get an average above his career high of .253 (his second best season in batting average was .209).

Very true. And the MLB might well do it, not because of the integrity of the game, but because dingers are where the $$$ is at, in their mind at least; they'd rather have smash-fests back and forth games rather than pitching duels.

[Homedawg]

Hopefully cooler heads prevail. It is a fundamentally different game if defenses aren't allowed to adjust for batters' tendencies, and batters can be rewarded for being so predictable and 1-dimension.

I remember one article where Joey Gallo was crying about how unfair the shift is, and when the reporter pointed out he could just bunt for some singles and then teams wouldn't be able to shift so extremely on him, his response was something along the lines of "but I don't want to bunt! I want to hit for power!!" like a spoiled brat who doesn't see the irony that once he proved he could hit bunt singles he'd get more opportunities to hit for power and also maybe get an average above his career high of .253 (his second best season in batting average was .209).

He shouldn't even get an opinion w a k rate he has that's through the roof. 20 years ago he would have already been served his retirement papers. Terrible hitter. Can't stand the way the game is going. Less runs this year through 2 weeks than the past 7 years. Maybe it's the ball. But people can't hit. And I know pitchers are way better- at least velo wise. But it's a turn and burn game. Sucks.

[parabrave]

Yep. It is what it is. It would be akin to banning loading the box in football or in a way the blitz. Batters need to know how to adapt and take advantage of the big wide open oppo gap.

We had this guy in Biloxi, AA, as our leadoff a few years ago. The opposing team would shift right against him, and he started bunting on. He did that the first 4 games of the series, 7 game series, after that they played him straight up. If batters would do that a few times that would end the shift/

[Todd4State]

Banning the shift is crap. Agree.

I also agree. And what's to stop teams from just having guys run to spots once the ball is thrown or the pitcher is into his windup?

Hopefully cooler heads prevail. It is a fundamentally different game if defenses aren't allowed to adjust for batters' tendencies, and batters can be rewarded for being so predictable and 1-dimension.

I remember one article where Joey Gallo was crying about how unfair the shift is, and when the reporter pointed out he could just bunt for some singles and then teams wouldn't be able to shift so extremely on him, his response was something along the lines of "but I don't want to bunt! I want to hit for power!!" like a spoiled brat who doesn't see the irony that once he proved he could hit bunt singles he'd get more opportunities to hit for power and also maybe get an average above his career high of .253 (his second best season in batting average was .209).

We're talking about Rob Manfred here. He's an idiot. Just keeps meddling with the rules and he has forgotten that people actually just want to watch baseball.

Very true. And the MLB might well do it, not because of the integrity of the game, but because dingers are where the $$$ is at, in their mind at least; they'd rather have smash-fests back and forth games rather than pitching duels.

There is a fallacy that eliminating the shift will lead to more hits and offense.

He shouldn't even get an opinion w a k rate he has that's through the roof. 20 years ago he would have already been served his retirement papers. Terrible hitter. Can't stand the way the game is going. Less runs this year through 2 weeks than the past 7 years. Maybe it's the ball. But people can't hit. And I know pitchers are way better- at least velo wise. But it's a turn and burn game. Sucks.

And people like Joey Gallo are why. He's going to keep striking out a lot with or without a shift. There is this idea that you can't hit for power and average. And yet many of the HOF's did. You can go gap to gap and still hit with power. But not enough people teach that. Or these kids learn turn and burn and the ones fortunate enough to make it to the pros pretty much have to be taught how to hit. It's CRAZY!

If it's me and I had the ability to hit at a pro level talent wise I would much rather be Mike Trout or Albert Pujols than Joey Gallo.

We had this guy in Biloxi, AA, as our leadoff a few years ago. The opposing team would shift right against him, and he started bunting on. He did that the first 4 games of the series, 7 game series, after that they played him straight up. If batters would do that a few times that would end the shift/

That's one way. The other way is to have an approach to use the whole field and protect the plate with two strikes.

[InTheIttaBenaHotSun]

Danny Noonan not fooling anybody.

By far the funniest line of the thread....

[parabrave]

I also agree. And what's to stop teams from just having guys run to spots once the ball is thrown or the pitcher is into his windup?


We're talking about Rob Manfred here. He's an idiot. Just keeps meddling with the rules and he has forgotten that people actually just want to watch baseball.



There is a fallacy that eliminating the shift will lead to more hits and offense.



And people like Joey Gallo are why. He's going to keep striking out a lot with or without a shift. There is this idea that you can't hit for power and average. And yet many of the HOF's did. You can go gap to gap and still hit with power. But not enough people teach that. Or these kids learn turn and burn and the ones fortunate enough to make it to the pros pretty much have to be taught how to hit. It's CRAZY!

If it's me and I had the ability to hit at a pro level talent wise I would much rather be Mike Trout or Albert Pujols than Joey Gallo.



That's one way. The other way is to have an approach to use the whole field and protect the plate with two strikes.

Well Protecting the plate with 2 strikes is still a work in progress with us!

[Cooterpoot]

We had this guy in Biloxi, AA, as our leadoff a few years ago. The opposing team would shift right against him, and he started bunting on. He did that the first 4 games of the series, 7 game series, after that they played him straight up. If batters would do that a few times that would end the shift/

Baseball people are too prideful to bunt these days.

[OLJWales]

If somehow he and Sykes Orvis were able to have a child, it would be named something like Sloan (but for whatever reason, he'd go by Chip) Reginald Belvedere....

LMAO

[FISHDAWG]

There was a lot of weird in this thread

[Dawgsfanalongtime77]

All this talk about approach is just talk. Sure, choke up with a 0-2 count. Hit outside pitches the other way. But... see ball, hit ball.

There is a few guys that are talented enough to hit for average and have some power. But for Most of these guys, they are average college hitters at the moment. Nothing more or less.

If RJ was at State for 4 years seeing sec pitching, that dude would be a well rounded hitter. Hancock and James can hit for avg with some power. However Hines, Cumbest, Clark, Tanner ... they will never be Tony Gwynn or Jeffrey Rea. They are big guys with big swings. Doesn't matter who the hitting coach is.

Cumbest leads the team in batting average plus hits.