Question

[Jarius]

In this league, you have to be able to line up and smash it down somebody?s throat for 3 yards when the game is on the line. That will never change. We have decades of history that prove this. The lines of scrimmage. There is no reinventing the wheel in this league. I didn?t like the hire from day one. You?re already at a disadvantage and you?re further complicating that by strapping one hand around your balls.

If you?re a ?fantasy league player?, well, good for you. This is the team and offense for you. If you want trophies that matter, this shit will never work.

Trophies that matter? Ell offf freaking elll….tell me how many trophies that matter we have doing it the other way for 120 years. Yea that’s what I thought. The truth of the matter is we aren’t going to win many if any at all trophies that matter no matter the scheme we run. This scheme gives us a better chance than previous ones.

[CadaverDawg]

State needs to throw the ball. State needs to be able to attract the best talent at QB. Because the QB wins games in college. However just because someone questions Leachs offense, doesn't mean they are calling for the Watson Brown wishbone. That is a conclusion some jump to.

Yeah, I don't understand why we have to be EITHER all run, or all pass. Why can't we have some balance with maybe a slightly pass heavy or slightly run heavy scheme?

[Coach34]

Trophies that matter? Ell offf freaking elll….tell me how many trophies that matter we have doing it the other way for 120 years. Yea that’s what I thought.

Mike Leach has not won a conference title in 20 seasons as a HC

[Jarius]

Mike Leach has not won a conference title in 20 seasons as a HC

Mississippi State has 1 conference title in 120 years. Mike Leach has won National coach of the year 2 times in 20 years, winning 11 games twice. That’s more games than we have ever won in our history in 1 season on 2 different occasions. But yea, let’s go back to ramming it down alabama and LSU’s throat paaaaaswwwwwlllll

[Coach34]

Mississippi State has 1 conference title in 120 years. Mike Leach has won National coach of the year 2 times in 20 years, winning 11 games twice. That’s more games than we have ever won in our history in 1 season on 2 different occasions. But yea, let’s go back to ramming it down alabama and LSU’s throat paaaaaswwwwwlllll

and yeah- those teams still werent good enough in inferior conferences to win them.

As Cadaver said- nobody is talking about running the Wishbone. Balanced offenses are what wins when it matters. That hasn't and wont change

[Jarius]

and yeah- those teams still werent good enough in inferior conferences to win them.

As Cadaver said- nobody is talking about running the Wishbone. Balanced offenses are what wins when it matters. That hasn't and wont change

Leach’s teams at both Texas tech and Washington State overperformed to their relative histories. His non balanced attack was better than a balanced attack has been for the majority of both of those schools histories and will be here as well. No one is going to win trophies that matter here unless some sort of miracle happens, but leach will get closer here than most anyone else could, just like he has at previous stops. You people just dismissing the obscurity of the places Leach has been coaching at his entire career are something else. Name me some other coaches that we could hire that would outperform his tenures at those 2 schools. Some of you need a reality check as to where we fall in the grand scheme of the college football hierarchy .

[HancockCountyDog]

Leach’s teams at both Texas tech and Washington State overperformed to their relative histories. His non balanced attack was better than a balanced attack has been for the majority of both of those schools histories and will be here as well. No one is going to win trophies that matter here unless some sort of miracle happens, but leach will get closer here than most anyone else could, just like he has at previous stops.

I certainly am not holding Leach to a conference title standard, that is silly in this new world of NIL where teams like A&M can offer so much more money than we can. I thought we turned a corner in the AU game. We showed clear life in the A&M and Kentucky games and I thought we were about to cruise to an egg bowl win and make a solid bowl. Instead, our offense was awful the last two games. So I don't know if we are the team that destroyed AU or the team that punted 17 times against LT, Memphis and NC State.

If we can find competent OT play, we should be able to play more like AU/KY/A&M games. The issue for me is that his refusal to add some running game to our offense just makes zero sense. We have the RB's to run the ball.

The idea that people that point out some shortcomings of Leach want to be right at the expense of MSU is just nuts. After the AU game, I really thought we were about to have a 9 win season after we beat the bears and won our bowl game. It is amazing what 2 losses can do.

[CadaverDawg]

No one is going to win trophies that matter here unless some sort of miracle happens

I disagree. But this is why we'll always play little brother to Ole Miss in football...bc they expect to compete at a high level, and we accept mediocrity and just being decent.

I can't stand fans of ours that act like we can't win at a high level. If Ole Miss can win a Sugar Bowl and take Bama to the wire...we can too. But it takes commitment and great decision making by everyone from janitor to fans to players to coaches to AD. If all we can hope for as fans is a miracle and to enjoy the insight.com bowl, why even care? And we wonder why donations aren't upper tier at State....why the hell would any rich alums want to give millions to a program whose fan base is cool with being average?

[Jarius]

I disagree. But this is why we'll always play little brother to Ole Miss in football...bc they expect to compete at a high level, and we accept mediocrity and just being decent.

I can't stand fans of ours that act like we can't win at a high level. If Ole Miss can win a Sugar Bowl and take Bama to the wire...we can too. But it takes commitment and great decision making by everyone from janitor to fans to players to coaches to AD. If all we can hope for as fans is a miracle and to enjoy the insight.com bowl, why even care? And we wonder why donations aren't upper tier at State....why the hell would any rich alums want to give millions to a program whose fan base is cool with being average?

Well this is a discussion that can happen not on a public board, but you are barking up the wrong tree with me on this one. I do everything I can do to make us successful. I also have common sense. Ole miss fans largely don’t, but you are correct about their boosters. I wish we had as many that gave to the cause as bitched on message boards. That would help us out a lot. We would still be bringing a butter knife to a gun fight though.

[OLJWales]

Leach’s teams at both Texas tech and Washington State overperformed to their relative histories. His non balanced attack was better than a balanced attack has been for the majority of both of those schools histories and will be here as well. No one is going to win trophies that matter here unless some sort of miracle happens, but leach will get closer here than most anyone else could, just like he has at previous stops. You people just dismissing the obscurity of the places Leach has been coaching at his entire career are something else. Name me some other coaches that we could hire that would outperform his tenures at those 2 schools. Some of you need a reality check as to where we fall in the grand scheme of the college football hierarchy .

Damn Well Said as this may be ED Post of the Day. Have some Rep. Even though I'm pissed off about EB's and other WTF's, the decision to Hire Leach was was Sound based off his record and our history as well. Having said that, dude needs to break out this year because the reasons for success this year far outweigh those that don't. 8-9 including EB is minimum IMO; if not then I will be convinced the fire once in his belly has simmered.

[NCDawg]

I'll start. I've been trending negative for 4 years. I don't think JC was a good hire at AD; it's like we didn't even try to make a national search for the best applicant. We are a SEC athletic program but don't act like it. I love that he got us a NC, but it was going to happen eventually, maybe even if he stayed as coach. But, in the SEC football pays the bills and gets the out of state alums to give up the cash. Our game day experience has become stale, and we don't seem to give a shit about the egg bowl anymore. The behind the scenes people seem to be constantly in flux, and with what we seem to pay, I don't doubt it.

I don't think JC was a good hire as AD, either. He doesn't seem to have a very outgoing personality for the job, somewhat similar to LT. I will give him credit for hiring Leach, who I think is a good coach. He can't keep losing to Ole Miss, though. I don't think MS State fans will be as patient as Washington State losing to your instate rival every year.

[OLJWales]

I don't think JC was a good hire as AD, either. He doesn't seem to have a very outgoing personality for the job, somewhat similar to LT. I will give him credit for hiring Leach, who I think is a good coach. He can't keep losing to Ole Miss, though. I don't think MS State fans will be as patient as Washington State losing to your instate rival every year.

Especially since the gap tween Huskies and Cougars is significant; Leach no longer has In-State Rivalry Disadvantages ; if he loses 3 straight to The Shitbirds up North combined with a few WTF's mixed in, I'm not gonna be happy retaining him because that to me would signal his motivation tank has run outta gas.