Wellllllll, we proved who we are tonight

[OLJWales]

I've always thought the HI Fight was so embarrassing it prompted the firing considering previous stuff. What would have happened if Sweet 16? Damn good question if you ask me.

[tcdog70]

I just don't get the bashing of any ex-Coach, especially Stans as he has been gone a long time. I will say Stans and JWS did more for Msu than most ex-coaches.

i'M pretty sure Stans had a winning record against every team in the SEC except Fla and Ky. What other Coach in any sport can claim that? In Football -he would be in the Hall Of fame. Also the reason we have a practice facility is because Stans raised the Money--Then didn't ever get to use it. Biggest mistake in MSU history--dumping Stans and taking away loyal fans seats.

[Coach34]

I've always thought the HI Fight was so embarrassing it prompted the firing considering previous stuff. What would have happened if Sweet 16? Damn good question if you ask me.

That's what some of you fail to get. There would have never been a Sweet 16 with all the chaos and drug use. That's why you fire them to attempt to fix the program before it bottoms out like it did with Jackie. We did the same thing with JoMo. Why are people ok with firing JoMo but unable to understand that we did the same thing with Stands? We had people at our team hotel complaining to management about the weed smell in the halls during our bowl game. Our LB beat the shit out of our QB. That's why we fired JoMo even though he made 2 straight bowl games and beat Mississippi twice. Well, we did the same thing with Stands- the fight on TV, rampant drug use to the point a player had to be sent to Texas to rehab for cocaine. Moultrie suspended for drug use. Bost being a lunatic on social media. The Sporting News calling us the most dysfunctional program in America. That's why we fired Stands. It's the same thing.

the Cheerleader and Keenum went the wrong direction with Ray. They wanted to get away from being looked at as "a dirty program" so they found a sucker in Ray to take the job. He wasnt ready for it. So what happened then? Our boosters got together and grabbed Howland- explaining to them that "this is what we are going to do". Howland has the program now at the level Stands had it when he was fired. We have returned to mediocrity.

[Commercecomet24]

I've always thought the HI Fight was so embarrassing it prompted the firing considering previous stuff. What would have happened if Sweet 16? Damn good question if you ask me.

It is a good question but a sweet 16 was NEVER happening with that team, EVER. It was a disaster and no way it was happening. That team went down in flames(some pun intended).

[thf24]

i'M pretty sure Stans had a winning record against every team in the SEC except Fla and Ky.

Not exactly a tremendous feat given the state of most of the SEC and the West-heavy schedules during his tenure.

Biggest mistake in MSU history--dumping Stans and taking away loyal fans seats.

Too bad he forced our hand by allowing his locker room to descend into a raging dumpster fire. If he hadn't abandoned his early formula of keeping high-character glue guys around to hold the problem children in check, he'd probably still be here.

[OLJWales]

It is a good question but a sweet 16 was NEVER happening with that team, EVER. It was a disaster and no way it was happening. That team went down in flames(some pun intended).

Never said we had a chance but stills a good question IMO.

[PGHBulldogBG]

That's what some of you fail to get. There would have never been a Sweet 16 with all the chaos and drug use. That's why you fire them to attempt to fix the program before it bottoms out like it did with Jackie. We did the same thing with JoMo. Why are people ok with firing JoMo but unable to understand that we did the same thing with Stands? We had people at our team hotel complaining to management about the weed smell in the halls during our bowl game. Our LB beat the shit out of our QB. That's why we fired JoMo even though he made 2 straight bowl games and beat Mississippi twice. Well, we did the same thing with Stands- the fight on TV, rampant drug use to the point a player had to be sent to Texas to rehab for cocaine. Moultrie suspended for drug use. Bost being a lunatic on social media. The Sporting News calling us the most dysfunctional program in America. That's why we fired Stands. It's the same thing.

the Cheerleader and Keenum went the wrong direction with Ray. They wanted to get away from being looked at as "a dirty program" so they found a sucker in Ray to take the job. He wasnt ready for it. So what happened then? Our boosters got together and grabbed Howland- explaining to them that "this is what we are going to do". Howland has the program now at the level Stands had it when he was fired. We have returned to mediocrity.

This is all spot on. People try to debate the fact that Stans was fired for results but that is just not true. If he had run a clean program and didn?t have this turmoil he might still be our coach. Richard Williams was a much better coach than Stans and he was still fired for his situation. Howland has basically brought us back to Stans level which I appreciate him for that. Now it?s time to get a young energetic mis major coach that is ready to coach an SEC program that will excite the fans. Not Sean Miller or Gregg Marshall. Let?s get someone like Oklahoma did with Mosier

[KOdawg1]

Hire Sean Miller

[confucius say]

That's what some of you fail to get. There would have never been a Sweet 16 with all the chaos and drug use. That's why you fire them to attempt to fix the program before it bottoms out like it did with Jackie. We did the same thing with JoMo. Why are people ok with firing JoMo but unable to understand that we did the same thing with Stands? We had people at our team hotel complaining to management about the weed smell in the halls during our bowl game. Our LB beat the shit out of our QB. That's why we fired JoMo even though he made 2 straight bowl games and beat Mississippi twice. Well, we did the same thing with Stands- the fight on TV, rampant drug use to the point a player had to be sent to Texas to rehab for cocaine. Moultrie suspended for drug use. Bost being a lunatic on social media. The Sporting News calling us the most dysfunctional program in America. That's why we fired Stands. It's the same thing.

the Cheerleader and Keenum went the wrong direction with Ray. They wanted to get away from being looked at as "a dirty program" so they found a sucker in Ray to take the job. He wasnt ready for it. So what happened then? Our boosters got together and grabbed Howland- explaining to them that "this is what we are going to do". Howland has the program now at the level Stands had it when he was fired. We have returned to mediocrity.

If that were true we would have fired Stans when all that went on, way before March 2012, not after he failed to make the tourney a third straight year. And regarding Joe, if he goes 10-2 he doesn't get fired. Same way we didn't fire sherrill despite all the issues 98-2000.

Stricklin ruined our basketball program with nearly every decision he made related to it. Turning the hump into a nursing home and hiring ray were both even worse decisions than firing Stans.

[confucius say]

Hire Sean Miller

I'm for it.

[Coach34]

If that were true we would have fired Stans when all that went on, way before March 2012, not after he failed to make the tourney a third straight year. And regarding Joe, if he goes 10-2 he doesn't get fired. Same way we didn't fire sherrill despite all the issues 98-2000.

Stricklin ruined our basketball program with nearly every decision he made related to it. Turning the hump into a nursing home and hiring ray were both even worse decisions than firing Stans.

Ok- either you just cant understand it or refuse to accept it. When you have rampant drug use, players sitting out games with a bruise, players yelling at coaches, and your LB beating up your QB- you never go 10-2. You don't make the Sweet 16 when your team is the posterchild for chaos.

Your "if" is an "if" because its a fantasy that doesnt happen

[thf24]

If that were true we would have fired Stans when all that went on, way before March 2012, not after he failed to make the tourney a third straight year. And regarding Joe, if he goes 10-2 he doesn't get fired. Same way we didn't fire sherrill despite all the issues 98-2000.

It's a combination of the two. The ultimatum prior to '11-'12 was - if you're going to parade our program through the mud, you'd better win big. And he couldn't make it happen. If he'd only gone one way or the other in those last few years, either make the deep tournament runs expected of our talent level, or get our name and program relatively clean again, there's a great chance he'd still be here.

[BrunswickDawg]

If that were true we would have fired Stans when all that went on, way before March 2012, not after he failed to make the tourney a third straight year. And regarding Joe, if he goes 10-2 he doesn't get fired. Same way we didn't fire sherrill despite all the issues 98-2000.

Stricklin ruined our basketball program with nearly every decision he made related to it. Turning the hump into a nursing home and hiring ray were both even worse decisions than firing Stans.

The Hawaiian Punch was in December 2010 ('10-'11 Season) Moultrie Knee was the 2011-12 season, Bost's insanity was after he failed to withdraw from the Draft properly in April '10 - so he was a cancer in '11 and '12 when he didn't want to be at MSU and had no options. So, all of that is pretty much what contributed to us not making the dance those 3 years. Stans early teams weren't full of crazy like that.

[confucius say]

It's a combination of the two. The ultimatum prior to '11-'12 was - if you're going to parade our program through the mud, you'd better win big. And he couldn't make it happen. If he'd only gone one way or the other in those last few years, either make the deep tournament runs expected of our talent level, or get our name and program relatively clean again, there's a great chance he'd still be here.

Exactly. The off the court stuff wasn't acceptable anymore once we stopped going to the tourney. When Rhodes amd Gordon and Phil turner and ravern Johnson were having their episodes it was fine bc we were in the ncaa every year or every other year.

[confucius say]

Ok- either you just cant understand it or refuse to accept it. When you have rampant drug use, players sitting out games with a bruise, players yelling at coaches, and your LB beating up your QB- you never go 10-2. You don't make the Sweet 16 when your team is the posterchild for chaos.

Your "if" is an "if" because its a fantasy that doesnt happen

No I get your point, that the off court stuff prevented on court success. It just aids my argument-that the on court success was what mattered at the end of the day. All of the crap with jamont and Rhodes and turner and ravern Johnson was overlooked when we were making the dance.

And we went 9-2 in 99 with multiple fights, drug use galore, multiple arrests, etc... I'm just glad social media wasn't alive back then and the police called the coaching staff before booking. The actors on that team made 2019 look like choir boys. They knew when to handle business though.

[Johnson85]

No I get your point, that the off court stuff prevented on court success. It just aids my argument-that the on court success was what mattered at the end of the day. All of the crap with jamont and Rhodes and turner and ravern Johnson was overlooked when we were making the dance.

And we went 9-2 in 99 with multiple fights, drug use galore, multiple arrests, etc... I'm just glad social media wasn't alive back then and the police called the coaching staff before booking. The actors on that team made 2019 look like choir boys. They knew when to handle business though.

If Stansbury had had his (lack of) success without being dysfunctional, there would have been a lot of support for letting him try to turn it around because they would have believed he could add talent to a team that was otherwise functional. The problem is that in basketball, when you lose the locker room, it's extremely hard to get it back recruiting somewhat ties your hands. Very few players are going to threaten to report anything like that, but it happens (gary ervin).

[maroonmania]

Ok- either you just cant understand it or refuse to accept it. When you have rampant drug use, players sitting out games with a bruise, players yelling at coaches, and your LB beating up your QB- you never go 10-2. You don't make the Sweet 16 when your team is the posterchild for chaos.

Your "if" is an "if" because its a fantasy that doesnt happen

Tha 85 Villanova team did prove that drug use alone won't stop you.

[OLJWales]

As long as the program's meeting or exceeding expectations and no bad publicity (keeping things under the rug) then everything rolls along. Bad Pub's brought down many good ones when the school had no choice. Start Sucking and den duh Maine gonna come 'roun here peepin' under dat rug and bring ya down.