Flores sues NFL

[Pancho]

I own 2 small businesses and the majority of my employees are white and who rent and are broke by monday when they were paid on the previous friday. They have step kids and folks just shacking up with them etc until they get behind on rent and evicted. Most usually relocate approx every 8-12 months. The common denominator is cigarettes, beer, whiskey, pot, pills, meth etc. They will miss a day of work periodically due to these factors. I have employed a few hispanics as well as some african americans but they didn't seem to enjoy working outside in the elements and said we were white devils. 2 of them are now dead and another is in parchman while one has an ankle monitor. Exactly none and I mean zero of them had any type of family structured upbringing or were taught any money management skills so take it as u will. My friend and financial advisor was raised poor like me and we ended up good friends and our only difference is that he's black and I am white and he makes more than me, so should I be jealous? We were both raised in 2 parent home and were drug to church whether we wanted to or not. Why are all the daily necessities so costly now and what can be done to alleviate cost and supply chain issues? We all need good jobs and Flores had one but he got sucked in. I say it's stupid if one lives week to week and tries a vacation a month.

[OLJWales]

If your hard work netted you $100 per hour and you saved every bit. It would take you >1,000 years to become a Billionaire. That's non stop working. Every day. 24 hours a day.

It's not hard work at that point. That's such a ****ing bs lie that you've been fed. The American dream is over. Hard work just gets you exploited.

Our economy tanked, good people lost houses, and in 2008 we blamed poor people, teachers, and immigrants. We spent trillions to save the banks. They then gave execs bonuses, did nothing to solve the problem, and now we're about to see another bubble pop.

Symbolic Bullshit. Our American system you trash improved the human condition on a global scale like no other in world history. Go beat your head against a brick wall until you accept the fact utopia only exists in heaven.

[Tater]

Symbolic Bullshit. Our American system you trash improved the human condition on a global scale like no other in world history. Go beat your head against a brick wall until you accept the fact utopia only exists in heaven.

The key word you used is improved. I'm not arguing what we did. I'm arguing what we're doing. We're not improving anymore. We're on the decline. Cant even deny that freudian slip there.

[Tater]

Saving the economic discussion for a separate thread. Meanwhile not sure Flores is helping himself here:

On Thursday, Flores backed up those claims by saying he believes Belichick had some part in the Giants' hiring decision.
"I think there are back channel conversations and back channel meetings that are had that oftentimes influence decisions," Flores told Jay Williams on NPR?s podcast The Limits (h/t Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio). "I think [the Giants hiring process] is a clear example of that. Bill Belichick is a clear example of that. His resume speaks to that. It was clear to me that decision was made with his influence."
He continued, "That's part of the problem. That needs to change. There needs to be a fair and equal opportunity to interview and showcase your abilities to lead and earn one of those positions."

?..

Because if it comes out the Bill actually was influential in him getting hired by the Dolphins then he?s gonna look extra foolish.

This utopian job hiring process generally doesn?t exist in any setting. That?s why the phrase ?it?s not always what you know, it?s who you know? even exist and it?s really the baseline for the Rooney rule in the first place.

How Bill played any part of this seems to be a big part of his beef and there are a ton of potential scenarios at play so will be curious what comes out from his camp eventually

Yea Flores did no favors for himself by talking Thursday. He should have taken the massive W in the court of public opinion, kept quiet, and let his lawyers do the dirty work.

Instead him and Hue speaking publicly are torpedoing this case. NFL is going to walk away scot free. And we're all gonna ignore the overshadowed Dan Snyder news.

[Saltydog]

Excuse me when has this country ever truly abided by that. We've slowly gotten better but we were never perfect. You must have missed the 80s crack epidemic that our president did nothing about. Let's Crack and AIDS run rampant because it was "killin blacks and gays". 90s were no better. 00s was rife with middle eastern distrust. Maybe it's just people are nostalgic for when Black wasn't the lowest on the totem pole in the wake of 9/11.

Rolls eyes. And tell me who is "perfect" because if it exists on this planet I've yet to see it. Nonetheless, you sir have a true "victim" mentality. Sometime you just have to take some personal accountability and quit blaming others or you can sit there and wallow in self pity. I can promise you that one of these will lead to better results than the other but I'll let you decide.

[Johnson85]

If your hard work netted you $100 per hour and you saved every bit. It would take you >1,000 years to become a Billionaire. That's non stop working. Every day. 24 hours a day.

It's not hard work at that point. That's such a ****ing bs lie that you've been fed. The American dream is over. Hard work just gets you exploited.
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You are letting your bitterness and envy affect your judgement. Most billionaires did work for a long time starting their own business and onlly had wealth on paper for a long time before they really got to enjoy the fruits of their labor. There are more exceptions to this now with tech and finance, but even they mostly don't get rich by exploiting other people. They get rich by providing something people want, and are lucky enough to do it first in an areas that is more or less winner take all, where you get outsized gains for being first (either in time or in quality).

Our economy tanked, good people lost houses, and in 2008 we blamed poor people, teachers, and immigrants. We spent trillions to save the banks. They then gave execs bonuses, did nothing to solve the problem, and now we're about to see another bubble pop.

In 2008, pretty much nobody blamed poor people, teachers, and immigrants. They blamed either banks or government policy. There was relatively little blame placed on the people actually taking NINJA loans. There were people that got to live in $500k homes with no downpayment and get to walk away with nothing but a foreclosure on their credit report after living in homes for months and in some cases years without making payments, and even they didn't really get blamed. Even though their acts left other people taking six figure losses that they could not walk away from, there was no blame for them.

[Tater]

Rolls eyes. And tell me who is "perfect" because if it exists on this planet I've yet to see it. Nonetheless, you sir have a true "victim" mentality. Sometime you just have to take some personal accountability and quit blaming others or you can sit there and wallow in self pity. I can promise you that one of these will lead to better results than the other but I'll let you decide.

You're the one saying this country went to shit like it hasn't been bad in regards to racial discourse since it's inception. When were we ever not "shit"? I'll hang up and lissen

[Johnson85]

Rising rent, tuition, food, car, etc. Everything except wages going up in price.

Living beyond your means shouldn't be getting chastised for eating out or taking one vacation a month. Most people in this country would be financially crippled by a an overnight hospital stay. It's not the mark of a functioning society.

This is bat shit crazy. I know some pretty affluent people and I'm not even sure I can come up with somebody that takes more than 6 vacations a year. We went years without vacations growing up. I consider myself extremely fortunate now, and only take "real" vacations every two or three years, and mostly just do long weekend type vacations, and I still don't even take 6 of them over the course of the year, much less twelve of them.

ETA: Also, eating out regularly is a luxury. I am sympathetic to the ways our government policies have made certain things unnecessarily expensive and of lower quality than they should be. But if you are eating out lunch 5 days a week (and a lot of people I have worked with at different jobs have), you can't be doing too badly.

[Tater]

This is bat shit crazy. I know some pretty affluent people and I'm not even sure I can come up with somebody that takes more than 6 vacations a year. We went years without vacations growing up. I consider myself extremely fortunate now, and only take "real" vacations every two or three years, and mostly just do long weekend type vacations, and I still don't even take 6 of them over the course of the year, much less twelve of them.

it's batshit crazy to think you can't take a weekend vacation a month or you're living beyond your means. i'm not talking extravagant, multi week. i'm talking packing up the family and spending two days a couple states over. i'm talking being able to go to state football games every month when you live more than 4 hours away. it's really not a ridiculous quality of life to ask for.

[Johnson85]

it's batshit crazy to think you can't take a weekend vacation a month or you're living beyond your means. i'm not talking extravagant, multi week. i'm talking packing up the family and spending two days a couple states over. i'm talking being able to go to state football games every month when you live more than 4 hours away. it's really not a ridiculous quality of life to ask for.

It's batshit crazy to think a weekend vacation a month is an entitlement or else society is dysfunctional. If you really care about travel and want to devote 5% of your income to it (probably twice as high a percentage as the average budget) and make Mississippi's median income of $45,000, that's about $2,250 a year. That's not a ton, but that's enough for a decent week vacation or several small vacations. I'd love for the median income family to be able to have more consumption, but I don't know where the expectation comes from. Outside of families that do a lot of primitive camping, has it ever been common to take a weekend trip every month for anybody but the very affluent?

[OLJWales]

The key word you used is improved. I'm not arguing what we did. I'm arguing what we're doing. We're not improving anymore. We're on the decline. Cant even deny that freudian slip there.

Why so many success stories with all black high schools in the past? Did leftist governance Play a part in the decline or racism?

[Coach34]

Why so many success stories with all black high schools in the past? Did leftist governance Play a part in the decline or racism?

Democrat policies have destroyed the black community. In 1965, you had about 75% of black homes with 2 parents. Today? 25%.

[662dawg]

Democrat policies have destroyed the black community. In 1965, you had about 75% of black homes with 2 parents. Today? 25%.

No sane person can disagree with this. There is no debate to why democrat led cities have become sh*t holes. Their policies are ruining America?s inner cities & now they?re trying to ruin America. Stolen elections have major consequences.

[Pancho]

We have such a quitter mentality and only the truly strong willed will survive what is being done to us.

[OLJWales]

Without "abused victims" needing government "protection" from the "evil racist oppressors", today's dem party wouldn't have a shot. A self sufficient society is NOT their goal. They feed off fake news to create fake panics to point more government guns at We the People.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Positions of authority should have a closer eye on them than rank and file jobs, yes. This isn't rocket science, the people with authority control should more closely represent their general population. It's institutional racial bias to have a field that is 35% minority (NFL coaches) be dominated at the primary position of power with a 95% majority.

This shouldn't be complex or hard for you to differentiate. See a majority gain a much higher fraction of the power than their demo would have you expect DOES suggest that there is bias to believing that the majority is the only ones capable of being in power. That's why Hockey doesn't have this problem as non-diverse as it is, but the NFL is seeing it.

Wouldnt it feel weird to see manual labor job such as construction have only minority grunt labor, some token minority white hats that made up a tiny fraction of the supervisor population, and then the majority being in total control of the power structure at every turn. Does that mental image not feel... off? That's much what the NFL has become.

You say "people with authority control should more closely represent their general population." I disagree. I think "people with authority control" should be chosen based upon ability to perform their job well, qualifications, merit, etc.