Will Levis

[BuckyIsAB****]

Well, Ohio State had the QB and WR’s. Michigan has the trenches.

Michigan is in the playoff.

If I had to pick one position to be elite without question it is OL/DL.

But the greatest part about football is that it takes all 11. No position is more important than the other. Perfect example is this year, we had everything but a kicker. What if it is your holder or long snapper? Everything matters.

Dont let Bo Bounds tell yall everything

[BuckyIsAB****]

Well, Ohio State had the QB and WR’s. Michigan has the trenches.

Michigan is in the playoff.

Not only is it the most important position on the field, it is the most important position in team sports. And don't say "But Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl", that is an outlier.

I dont believe there is a most important position

[Bdawg]

Well, Ohio State had the QB and WR’s. Michigan has the trenches.

Michigan is in the playoff.

Think most are agreeing on the position group, just not the 1 position. LT is 2nd in my book and 3rd would be a DE.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Think most are agreeing on the position group, just not the 1 position. LT is 2nd in my book and 3rd would be a DE.

The average NFL salary agrees with this 100% in that order.

That's how you know who is the most important, QB is the highest paid. LT is the next highest paid, on average, with the purpose of protecting the QB. Then 3rd highest salary on average is DE, who's purpose is stopping the QB. I see a theme here.


If you cant make a distinction between a position and a "position group" then we don't really have any starting place for a discussion. Yes, the sum total of 5 O-linemen is greater than 1 QB. I mean 5 guys is nearly half of one of the teams on the field.

[BuckyIsAB****]

The average NFL salary agrees with this 100% in that order.

That's how you know who is the most important, QB is the highest paid. LT is the next highest paid, on average, with the purpose of protecting the QB. Then 3rd highest salary on average is DE, who's purpose is stopping the QB. I see a theme here.


If you cant make a distinction between a position and a "position group" then we don't really have any starting place for a discussion. Yes, the sum total of 5 O-linemen is greater than 1 QB. I mean 5 guys is nearly half of one of the teams on the field.

I could give a rats ass about what the NFL thinks. Its boring and not a good product to me

[RiverCityDawg]

If I had to pick one position to be elite without question it is OL/DL.

But the greatest part about football is that it takes all 11. No position is more important than the other. Perfect example is this year, we had everything but a kicker. What if it is your holder or long snapper? Everything matters.

Dont let Bo Bounds tell yall everything

I agree that all positions matter, but they're in no way equal. If our QB was of the same quality as our kicker we would have only won about 1 game. You can make an offense go with one subpar WR or right guard, albeit not with the efficiency you would want, but if your QB sucks you're pretty much hosed unless maybe 9 or 10 of the others are elite. I could even buy that the OL unit as a whole is more important than the QB, but a single OL is not nearly as important as the QB.

I don't know what Bo's opinion on this would be, and I don't care. He'd probably just ask Bartoo for his opinion and parrot it for about 3 hours straight...

[Leroy Jenkins]

I could give a rats ass about what the NFL thinks. Its boring and not a good product to me

Ah the old move the goalpost strategy I see. The question was about most important position, not style of play. You are not very good with the concept of examples are you?

Ok smartypants guy, NFL aside, let's see what position gets the biggest NIL deals in "college" football.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Ah the old move the goalpost strategy I see. The question was about most important position, not style of play. You are not very good with the concept of examples are you?

Ok smartypants guy, NFL aside, let's see what position gets the biggest NIL deals in "college" football.

Dont care about NIL deals either.

I will give you an example, Will is about to throw to a wide open Polk for a TD but he gets smoked right in the chin before he releases the ball bc the RG slid left instead of right. Tell me who is more important? Or does it take both every snap

[BuckyIsAB****]

I agree that all positions matter, but they're in no way equal. If our QB was of the same quality as our kicker we would have only won about 1 game. You can make an offense go with one subpar WR or right guard, albeit not with the efficiency you would want, but if your QB sucks you're pretty much hosed unless maybe 9 or 10 of the others are elite. I could even buy that the OL unit as a whole is more important than the QB, but a single OL is not nearly as important as the QB.

I don't know what Bo's opinion on this would be, and I don't care. He'd probably just ask Bartoo for his opinion and parrot it for about 3 hours straight...

You are missing the entire point.

It takes all 11 every snap.

[RiverCityDawg]

You are missing the entire point.

It takes all 11 every snap.

So is it all 11 as in there are no positions more important than others like you said here or is it OL/DL like you said earlier? Frankly, you're missing the point, which was simply that QB is the MOST important position on the field, not that others don't matter. Earlier you said OL/DL was more important, but those are groups of people not individual positions, which is what the subject that you responded to.

I'm actually surprised that someone as knowledgeable as you would argue against the QB being the single most important position out of the 11 on the field at a time. Again, not the ONLY important position or that all aren't needed, just the most important in terms of making the most difference between winning and losing.

[MoreCowbell]

Well, Ohio State had the QB and WR?s. Michigan has the trenches.

Michigan is in the playoff.

Having 2 first round Defensive ends helps. QB is still the most important single position on the field. That?s why they get paid the most. You can have all world everything but if you have a terrible QB you?re not doing anything.

[MoreCowbell]

So is it all 11 as in there are no positions more important than others like you said here or is it OL/DL like you said earlier? Frankly, you're missing the point, which was simply that QB is the MOST important position on the field, not that others don't matter. Earlier you said OL/DL was more important, but those are groups of people not individual positions, which is what the subject that you responded to.

I'm actually surprised that someone as knowledgeable as you would argue against the QB being the single most important position out of the 11 on the field at a time. Again, not the ONLY important position or that all aren't needed, just the most important in terms of making the most difference between winning and losing.

This^^^. It is really not debatable.

[Bdawg]

I could give a rats ass about what the NFL thinks. Its boring and not a good product to me

Whether you like it or not, it's explains it's importance.

[Coach34]

Having 2 first round Defensive ends helps. QB is still the most important single position on the field. That?s why they get paid the most. You can have all world everything but if you have a terrible QB you?re not doing anything.

But as I pointed out- you can have an all-world D-Line and average QB and beat a team with an all-time great QB. Lesser QB wins because his DL is better. So who is more important?

[Coach34]

Dan Marino also kills that argument. Best passing QB of the modern era other than Payton and never won a title. Why? No defense.

[CaptainObvious]

I kept watching this thread move down and back up to the top and said to myself, self, why is the QB for Kentucky such a hot topic on this board? After getting past the first several posts, I found out HE wasn?t the hot topic, his position was. Carry on.

[RiverCityDawg]

But as I pointed out- you can have an all-world D-Line and average QB and beat a team with an all-time great QB. Lesser QB wins because his DL is better. So who is more important?

1) That scenario certainly CAN happen, but it's not a given, it would depend on how good the other players are on each team. Never mind that though...

2) You're comparing a position GROUP versus one position. The argument was about QB being the Single most important position on the field. A defensive tackle or A defensive end is not as important as the quarterback.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Dont care about NIL deals either.

I will give you an example, Will is about to throw to a wide open Polk for a TD but he gets smoked right in the chin before he releases the ball bc the RG slid left instead of right. Tell me who is more important? Or does it take both every snap

Well we are just talking past each other. Either you are trolling, had too much eggnog, or you are just too married to your own imagination of what you think everyone here (except you and 34) is talking about. ONE of the 11 positions. I could use your logic and say that if the FG holder dropped the ball on a game tying XP with no time on the clock he is more important that the QB, and its just not true.

I am not here to convince you that the water is wet, or that a RG cant have a MA and get a play blown-up. It is certainly your prerogative to believe whatever you like. Sometimes people just have to agree to disagree and move on, and that's OK.

[Coach34]

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2) You're comparing a position GROUP versus one position. The argument was about QB being the Single most important position on the field. A defensive tackle or A defensive end is not as important as the quarterback.

aGAIN- you can win with lesser QB's. Michigan and Georgia are in the playoff and their QB's arent top notch. It's not necessary to have a top-notch QB to win big. It is necessary to have DE's that can ball.

Look at last year's SB- guy considered to be the best in the NFL currently looked bad against a great DL. Tennessee made the AFC Title game with an average at best QB.

Trenches are more important than the QB. You can have a great QB but never win anything big because you lack the trench game. You can win big with a great trench game and an average QB. It gets proven year after year.

[Coach34]

I guess we can keep arguing but in the end there is this:

1. You have to be good at QB
2. You have to be good upfront
3. You have to have a good DL that can pressure the QB

Championship teams usually have a combination of the 3. Having just 1 gives you very little chance at a title. All 3 are as important as the other.