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09-14-2021, 10:47 PM
#141
Originally Posted by
Patrick Tibbons
It?s comical. I guess most of these posters forgot that arguably the best player to ever wear a State uniform wasn?t going to start at QB in his THIRD year on the team until Tyler Russell got hurt. But these same posters want to write off Will after a handful of starts in his 2nd year.
Exactly. Where Will is right now is about where Dak was in 2013. It's just hard to play QB when you're an underclassman unless you are Peyton Manning- and even he would tell you it wasn't easy for him I'm sure.
All these MSU fans I see talking about how great Matt Corral is. Apparently they have forgotten that he was essentially benched his second year in college for John Rhys Plumlee. In fact he lost to Memphis- Will might too we'll see Saturday. Anyway Corral was like 9-19 and didn't even have 100 yards passing against them while they scored 10 points on them. Now I guarantee you if you had a time machine fourth year Matt Corral lights up that Memphis team. Why? Experience. He got better over time.
And you're right- Dak improved as a QB in 2014. And then he improved his passing even more in 2015 behind an OL that was pretty bad and with Holloway up the middle.
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09-14-2021, 10:52 PM
#142
Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Exactly. Where Will is right now is about where Dak was in 2013. It's just hard to play QB when you're an underclassman unless you are Peyton Manning- and even he would tell you it wasn't easy for him I'm sure.
All these MSU fans I see talking about how great Matt Corral is. Apparently they have forgotten that he was essentially benched his second year in college for John Rhys Plumlee. In fact he lost to Memphis- Will might too we'll see Saturday. Anyway Corral was like 9-19 and didn't even have 100 yards passing against them while they scored 10 points on them. Now I guarantee you if you had a time machine fourth year Matt Corral lights up that Memphis team. Why? Experience. He got better over time.
And you're right- Dak improved as a QB in 2014. And then he improved his passing even more in 2015 behind an OL that was pretty bad and with Holloway up the middle.
But Dak & Corral had athleticism & tools to build on
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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09-15-2021, 12:10 AM
#143
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
But Dak & Corral had athleticism & tools to build on
Can't wait for the OK Corral. Maroon dressed Wyatt Earp and Doc gonna whip some ass. I'm fiddy 8 jammin to pearls betta man as I type. Peace Out and HailSTATE!!!!!
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09-15-2021, 08:28 AM
#144
Originally Posted by
Cowbell
He's right. By your standards, Trevor Lawrence is gonna suck in the pros.
And Tom Brady would be selling insurance.
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09-15-2021, 08:54 AM
#145
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
But Dak & Corral had athleticism & tools to build on
Doesn't matter. Nick Fitzgerald had better raw tools than Dak too. That doesn't mean it will always translate.
What does matter is if he can make the best decisions in this offense and execute slightly better when he has to. We're talking a second or two off. If he was a junior or senior and doing the same things I would agree more. But he's a sophomore who didn't redshirt. He just needs game reps. I think he learned a lot Saturday. I know Leach knows because I saw him taking to Will and he mentioned it in the postgame. Now it's up to Will to learn and apply it.
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09-15-2021, 09:29 AM
#146
Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Doesn't matter. Nick Fitzgerald had better raw tools than Dak too. That doesn't mean it will always translate.
What does matter is if he can make the best decisions in this offense and execute slightly better when he has to. We're talking a second or two off. If he was a junior or senior and doing the same things I would agree more. But he's a sophomore who didn't redshirt. He just needs game reps. I think he learned a lot Saturday. I know Leach knows because I saw him taking to Will and he mentioned it in the postgame. Now it's up to Will to learn and apply it.
Nick never threw the ball close to Dak. What are you looking at Todd?
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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09-15-2021, 10:13 AM
#147
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
Nick never threw the ball close to Dak. What are you looking at Todd?
Nick had an absolute canon of an arm, but couldn't harness it to make himself a better QB. He was also considerably faster and more athletic - he was an All-Region WR his JR. year in HS. Those are the raw tools that he had better than Dak.
You are also correct that he never could throw as well as Dak. But those tools are why Mullen offered Nick as a QB before he'd ever thrown a pass in a football game.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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09-15-2021, 10:40 AM
#148
I see all kinds of pro names popping up in comparisons. My absolute peak Will comparison would be Danny weurffel without a supporting cast in the same galaxy.
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09-15-2021, 10:42 AM
#149
Originally Posted by
msstate7
I see all kinds of pro names popping up in comparisons. My absolute peak Will comparison would be Danny weurffel without a supporting cast in the same galaxy.
So you're saying he's Heisman worthy?
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09-15-2021, 10:44 AM
#150
Originally Posted by
dawgman15
So you're saying he's Heisman worthy?
Absolutely if you surround him with the best talent in the country, and he hits his absolute ceiling.
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09-15-2021, 10:45 AM
#151
Originally Posted by
msstate7
Absolutely if you surround him with the best talent in the country, and he hits his absolute ceiling.
Well we know that one of those things will never happen
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09-15-2021, 11:39 AM
#152
Originally Posted by
msstate7
I see all kinds of pro names popping up in comparisons. My absolute peak Will comparison would be Danny weurffel without a supporting cast in the same galaxy.
Wuerffel would be an accurate comp.
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09-15-2021, 11:39 AM
#153
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
Nick never threw the ball close to Dak. What are you looking at Todd?
Yeah nick had more raw arm talent than dak
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09-15-2021, 11:42 AM
#154
Originally Posted by
Cowbell
Yeah nick had more raw arm talent than dak
He had more arm strength than Dak. Nick couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, but he could throw through the barn
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09-15-2021, 11:52 AM
#155
Damn shame Nick didn't get his offseason leading up to senior season with mullen. I think nick woulda made a nice jump passing
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09-15-2021, 11:54 AM
#156
Originally Posted by
KOdawg1
He had more arm strength than Dak. Nick couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, but he could throw through the barn
Cristil said sumpthin like that eons ago about a strong armed QB we had way back when.
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09-15-2021, 03:52 PM
#157
Originally Posted by
Cowbell
Yeah nick had more raw arm talent than dak
No. Not close. Pure arm strength isn't the same arm talent.
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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09-15-2021, 07:56 PM
#158
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
No. Not close. Pure arm strength isn't the same arm talent.
RAW ARM talent. Dak had to work for everything he has become. His raw arm talent is what kept him from getting recruited by other schools. Your QB assessment skills need some polishing. Pretty raw...
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09-15-2021, 07:56 PM
#159
Originally Posted by
msstate7
Damn shame Nick didn't get his offseason leading up to senior season with mullen. I think nick woulda made a nice jump passing
Yes. And he didn't have near the receivers that dak had either
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09-15-2021, 07:57 PM
#160
Don’t y’all remember the time Nick threw the game ending Hail Mary into the student section? That’s what you call raw ass talent.
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