Question for the Rick Ray fans

[tcdog70]

Barry Stewart Freshman 40% from field...3-ball 39.1%...FT 76.6%
Barry Stewart Soph 38.3% from field...3-ball 33%...FT 69.6%

Congrats John Wooden- you just cut Barry Stewart...was he not coachable or was it shitty coaching?

You are the King out of selective stats. Based on how many shots. Do you think stats are the only way to tell if a player has gotten better? Any dumb ass could tell Stewart got better every year. Do you keep stats on how many times you shit a week?

[TheDogFather]

No, we fired a coach for losing control of the program and making a mockery of our school. It was embarrassing

Not nearly as embarrassing as having Wednesday nights debacle broadcast on TV. We are a laughing stock.

BTW, coach. You go to the game?

[engie]

Not nearly as embarrassing as having Wednesday nights debacle broadcast on TV. We are a laughing stock.

BTW, coach. You go to the game?

No way you are that dumb.

Time to start clearing this place of the trolls again. This guy thinks losing a home game by 20 and trailing by 1 at the half is more embarrassing than being a lead story on ESPN for teammates getting in a fight in the stands in wife beaters and called the most dysfunctional team in college basketball by multiple national publications and radio personalities...

[engie]

You are the King out of selective stats. Based on how many shots. Do you think stats are the only way to tell if a player has gotten better? Any dumb ass could tell Stewart got better every year. Do you keep stats on how many times you shit a week?

Obviously not from his freshman to sophomore year. But the WIDELY used term "sophomore slump" is clearly lost on you. "It's skewing that he went downhill in every stat...I could SEE his improvement!!!1!11" You show the same person that every player on Rick Ray's team has improved, "It has to be SOS -- this team has not improved at all!!1!1"

I guess you are simply smarter than statistics...

[Coach34]

Engie beat me to replying- but yeah, what he said

[TheDogFather]

No way you are that dumb.

Time to start clearing this place of the trolls again. This guy thinks losing a home game by 20 and trailing by 1 at the half is more embarrassing than being a lead story on ESPN for teammates getting in a fight in the stands in wife beaters and called the most dysfunctional team in college basketball by multiple national publications and radio personalities...

We can have a debate if you would like. But going down the troll road just because someone disagrees with you is irresponsible.

To yours and coaches dismay and disappointment there are reasonable people that exist who think the Stansbury firing was a bad decision and that the Ray hiring just made it worse.

What you have found is that your hyperbole and misguided exaggeration on the Stanbury criticism has resulted in the same on the Stansbury support and Ray criticism. So ironically the coaching discussion you loathe was actually borne by you.

[Schultzy]

It's not a theory, hyperbole or misguided exaggeration. It is reality. We hired a coach without head coaching experience BECAUSE of how bad the shape our program had sunk to.

It's frustrating for us on this side of the argument because we think it should be obvious for reasonable people to see.

Because of the deep hole Ray inherited, he should be given more than 1-1/2 years to dig out of it. MSU is not a school that can plug in 5 McDonalds All Americans each year.

You should at least acknowledge Ray took a big career chance by accepting this challenge of a depleted program.

[MadDawg]

No, we fired a coach for losing control of the program and making a mockery of our school. It was embarrassing

Da ****?

Losing control of the program..... check.

Making a mockery of the school.... what the hell?

[TheDogFather]

I acknowledge your point and agree totally about Rays decision.

We actually agree on more than you realize.

On "our side" what we don't understand is the incessant criticism heaped upon Stansbury on a daily basis - and you must admit it has reached an unreasonably exaggerated point - while any criticism of Ray is met with excuses and 100% pass.

I can't remember once it being mentioned that Ray should lose his job.

[Coach34]

We can have a debate if you would like.

To yours and coaches dismay and disappointment there are reasonable people that exist who think the Stansbury firing was a bad decision .

There is really nothing to debate

We were embarrassed on national TV with players fighting in the stands
The Sporting News labeled us the "most dysfunctional program in America"
Gottlieb and Katz were laughing at us on ESPN about Stands
Jimmy Dykes on SEC telecasts routinely pointing out Sidney being lazy and walking up the floor during games
Players calling out the coaches on twitter
Players ignoring the coaches during time-outs
The program was ranked 2 of the last 3 seasons and neither team made the NCAA Tourney

If you dont think the coach deserves to be fired over that- we dont have anything left to discuss.

[TheDogFather]

Duplicate post

[TheDogFather]

There is really nothing to debate

We were embarrassed on national TV with players fighting in the stands
The Sporting News labeled us the "most dysfunctional program in America"
Gottlieb and Katz were laughing at us on ESPN about Stands
Jimmy Dykes on SEC telecasts routinely pointing out Sidney being lazy and walking up the floor during games
Players calling out the coaches on twitter
Players ignoring the coaches during time-outs
The program was ranked 2 of the last 3 seasons and neither team made the NCAA Tourney

If you dont think the coach deserves to be fired over that- we dont have anything left to discuss.

A great example of my point. Your opinion is right so there is nothing to debate. I'm surprised I wasn't called a troll again.

[Coach34]

A great example of my point. Your opinion is right so there is nothing to debate. I'm surprised I wasn't called a troll again.

I don't think you're trolling- it's just that removing Stands was a no-brainer. The only question left on that was did we wait a year too long?

The problems started once we began the search to replace him. Strick and Co had no idea the job was viewed as toxic as it was. None of us did really. Hell, you Stands-Lovers still dont believe it. It was a big reality check for Strick- but it also gave him reassurance that he did the right thing. And that's why we have a guy named Rick Ray coaching us now.

We'll see the next 2 years how it works out.

[Coach34]

So more second year judgement thread?

This is tiring. Regardless of end result.

Let us review -- and then tell me how "this basketball situation is different"..
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/4...m#reply-467588
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/3...h#reply-383201
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/topic/2...1#.Uv2S0PldU1I
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/topic/8...1#.Uv2RG_ldU1I
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/4...e#reply-475609

"This is turning into one of the biggest coaching busts we've seen in a while. It's worse than Croom. Nobody had any idea what to expect from Croom. But people expected Cohen to have a clue what he's doing. So far, not so much."- Maddawg

[engie]

"This is turning into one of the biggest coaching busts we've seen in a while. It's worse than Croom. Nobody had any idea what to expect from Croom. But people expected Cohen to have a clue what he's doing. So far, not so much."- Maddawg

But he was always on the Cohen bandwagon**

I think the "when is it Cohen's team" thread needs some transcription here. Yet, people say my constant comparison is ridiculous. Well, go read the damn thread -- it's basically identical to this one.

[engie]

We can have a debate if you would like. But going down the troll road just because someone disagrees with you is irresponsible.

Irresponsible?

No - what's irresponsible is calling a home loss to a team that is tied for 3rd in the SEC standings "MORE embarrassing for the university than fighting in the stands as the lead story on Sportscenter for 3 days and being watched by 100 million people fighting in wife beaters in the stands during a prestigious basketball tournament."

You are either a total moron that lacks any semblance of common sense and any form of perception-lending memory...or a troll. Feel free to make your choice which you prefer it to be. That's how damn stupid the post I quoted was -- and the agenda isn't far behind it.

[Westdawg]

My personal opinion is that Rick Ray needs to be given 4 years to right the ship. Any coach in any sport should be able to do that within that time frame. Yes, that may seem like that is too much time for a basketball coach. BUT, this program was basically the ashes of the dumpster fire that many claimed we were. The few decent pieces that were left, namely Hood, left when Stans was let go. his first "recruiting class" was basically a conglomeration of what he could find in the short time span. This class is shaping up to be a bit better. He really doesnt even have any of HIS recruits on the floor yet.
Ya'll, we all knew we would go through this when Stans "retired". Let's just stick with the guy. From what I have seen and also heard, he is a great coach that just doesnt have the weapons yet nor the depth to be successful.

[RougeDawg]

Again, the man did not have enough players on the roster to conduct a live basketball scrimmage his first year. Any reasonable person should've known the first two years would be very difficult.

If he can get some scorers in here he will succeed. But it's stupid to think that we should be back to normal yet as a program.

The "Man" could have walked his ass across the parking lot to the Sanderson on any given afternoon, and hand picked a better team than what was on his roster this and last year. This is what pisses me off. When I was at state there were some pretty damn good ballers in the Sanderson daily. I'm sure Most of them would love to have a walkon spot on the team. Why not have a tryout for players like that? They're better than what we put on the floor Wed night, for sure. Didn't we have an open tryout like this for kicker last year?

[MadDawg]

"This is turning into one of the biggest coaching busts we've seen in a while. It's worse than Croom. Nobody had any idea what to expect from Croom. But people expected Cohen to have a clue what he's doing. So far, not so much."- Maddawg

Where did you dig this up from? Got a link to this? I don't remember making that statement, but I might have. I've admitted to being wrong about Cohen. I wonder, though, if Ray turns out to be a bust, will you admit you were wrong? Hahahaha. Nevermind, of course you won't.

[smootness]

The "Man" could have walked his ass across the parking lot to the Sanderson on any given afternoon, and hand picked a better team than what was on his roster this and last year. This is what pisses me off. When I was at state there were some pretty damn good ballers in the Sanderson daily. I'm sure Most of them would love to have a walkon spot on the team. Why not have a tryout for players like that? They're better than what we put on the floor Wed night, for sure. Didn't we have an open tryout like this for kicker last year?

Oh gosh. Oh. Gosh. We have officially entered the twilight zone.

Tyson Cunningham is about as good as any non-basketball player on campus. You want to throw some other Tyson Cunningham's out there?

I mean, I'm sorry, but holy crap. 'I know some dudes who could ball, we should put them on the team!' Giant LOL.