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Cooterpoot
					
				 
				No they don't.
			
		 
	 
 There have been many guys make a career in NFL being that type player.  A check down guy that just catches the ball and makes positive plays is worth a lot.
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:42 PM
				
			
			
				
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KOdawg1
					
				 
				So really the difference in this game was the fumble by Williams. If he scores, it's us that's up 21-14
			
		 
	 
 That was a freak play from Williams. I don't think that happens often with him.
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:42 PM
				
			
			
				
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ShotgunDawg
					
				 
				Leach has his culture implemented. We're "fixed" so to speak. 
Now, we just have to keep getting better and more experienced
			
		 
	 
 Yeah if someone can't see the difference in how this team plays as compared to the last 2 years you're blind.
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:42 PM
				
			
			
				
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R2Dawg
					
				 
				There have been many guys make a career in NFL being that type player.  A check down guy that just catches the ball and makes positive plays is worth a lot.
			
		 
	 
 Those NFL players are way more athletic than Williams
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
				
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					11-28-2020, 05:42 PM
				
			
			
				
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							Way to hang in there, dawgs. Gotta get a stop first drive
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:43 PM
				
			
			
				
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							Feeling better about the offense. WR running better routes and Will is starting to see the field. I can see growth. Still not there yet but good signs
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:43 PM
				
			
			
				
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the_real_MSU_is_us
					
				 
				Remove the fumble and it's 21-14 State. 
Defense has given up 328 yards.
Safeties suck ass
And you people want to blame Leach. My goodness
			
		 
	 
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					11-28-2020, 05:43 PM
				
			
			
				
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Commercecomet24
					
				 
				Yeah if someone can't see the difference in how this team plays as compared to the last 2 years you're blind.
			
		 
	 
 100%. He's "fixed MSU football". 
Now we just gotta keep building.
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
				
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					11-28-2020, 05:43 PM
				
			
			
				
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							We got 35 out of the game after we gave up 2 touchdowns. Unreal.
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:44 PM
				
			
			
				
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							There are reasons and there are excuses.  Our safeties are playing shorthanded - that is a reason.
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:45 PM
				
			
			
				
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BeardoMSU
					
				 
				I'm really glad Freshwater and all his "ANALytics" hates kicking FGs. Really hope we can make him pay for it.
			
		 
	 
 that's the thing- if you're playing a bad team you'd probably convert 4th down a lot. if you're playing a good D you won't. On average it might seem like it's a good decision to go for it, but my suspicion is that it's only a "smart decision" vs teams where you'd win no matter what you did.
Vs the teams with defenses that can often stop you on 4th, you should take the 3 when you get it. Vs teams that can't stop you on 4th... we'll you're going to be scoring a ton on them anyway so it doesn't matter
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:45 PM
				
			
			
				
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Commercecomet24
					
				 
				Yeah if someone can't see the difference in how this team plays as compared to the last 2 years you're blind.
			
		 
	 
 Absofreakinglutely!
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:45 PM
				
			
			
				
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PendingTransaction
					
				 
				Feeling better about the offense. WR running better routes and Will is starting to see the field. I can see growth. Still not there yet but good signs
			
		 
	 
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					11-28-2020, 05:45 PM
				
			
			
				
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							Watch out for Moore in this second half. He was awfully quiet
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:46 PM
				
			
			
				
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				Well he isn't fast. Great plays by him so far though.
			
		 
	 
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					11-28-2020, 05:46 PM
				
			
			
				
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							Please let Rogers be ok.  Wasn’t anything malicious but did catch a helmet to his throwing elbow.
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:47 PM
				
			
			
				
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					"We will have no problem in handling Kentucky."-Turfdawg67.  MSU suffered a 27-17 defeat in 2022 with 225 yards in total offense.
				
				
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:48 PM
				
			
			
				
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msu15
					
				 
				We got a shot boys.
			
		 
	 
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					11-28-2020, 05:49 PM
				
			
			
				
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the_real_MSU_is_us
					
				 
				that's the thing- if you're playing a bad team you'd probably convert 4th down a lot. if you're playing a good D you won't. On average it might seem like it's a good decision to go for it, but my suspicion is that it's only a "smart decision" vs teams where you'd win no matter what you did.
Vs the teams with defenses that can often stop you on 4th, you should take the 3 when you get it. Vs teams that can't stop you on 4th... we'll you're going to be scoring a ton on them anyway so it doesn't matter
			
		 
	 
 Oh, for sure. Msstate7 said it best, they just don't respect us.
						
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
			
			
		 
	 
		
	
 
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					11-28-2020, 05:50 PM
				
			
			
				
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msstate7
					
				 
				Way to hang in there, dawgs. Gotta get a stop first drive
			
		 
	 
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