Leach ain't changing, so what should Cohen do?

[Todd4State]

We most certainly have not moved the ball good — after LSU, we haven’t cracked 320 yards. One or two drives a game that could score (but don’t!) is not good offense.

It's not- but with Rogers going forward and now that we are past Alabama and that mental hurdle I think we can average 21 PPG with him. Which assuming our defense maintains what they are doing should be enough to win 2-3 more this year.

[yjnkdawg]

As I said, I don't see A as an option. Unless you can fire Leach with cause or work out a settlement.

Takes more than one person for a settlement. That ain't happening, and firing with cause ain't happening either unless he violates something in his contract that warrants termination.

[Mobile Bay]

Cohen and a bunch of the idiots in our fanbase should STFU and let Leach coach. No spring, massive locker room cancer, and 17ing Sloppy Joe's culture cannot be fixed in 5 games. Get back from the ledge and let the man work.

[Mobile Bay]

I don?t understand people..... You wanted Moorhead fired two years into a system.....

Bring in a PROVEN head coach yet seriously float out firing him after a bad year during the weirdest year of everyone?s lifetime.

Last year ?The worst offense in school history?. This year: ?The worst offense in school history?

Meanwhile no one remembers the Croom years. It?s like they never once happened.

We have not even had a bad year yet. That is how moronic many of the people on these boards are. It's half a bad year. Nobody turns a ship as close to sinking around as Leach inherited with six weeks of camp, no spring, and five weeks of games. It just doesn't happen. That is not how football works.

[Dogbone]

We have not even had a bad year yet. That is how moronic many of the people on these boards are. It's half a bad year. Nobody turns a ship as close to sinking around as Leach inherited with six weeks of camp, no spring, and five weeks of games. It just doesn't happen. That is not how football works.

Cohen new what he was getting when he hired Leach.

[yjnkdawg]

Cohen and a bunch of the idiots in our fanbase should STFU and let Leach coach. No spring, massive locker room cancer, and 17ing Sloppy Joe's culture cannot be fixed in 5 games. Get back from the ledge and let the man work.

LOL It's going to get to where some on this board expect an immediate turn around or our coach be fired (like after the first year) even when having to deal with and correct some of the things you mentioned. I don't think Cohen is a problem on letting CML coach, and basically not our overall fan base( just some vocal ones on message boards).

[Mobile Bay]

LOL It's going to get to where some on this board expect an immediate turn around or our coach be fired (like after the first year) even when having to deal with and correct some of the things you mentioned. I don't think Cohen is a problem there, and basically not our overall fan base.

Only a fool thinks an immediate turnaround happens.

Hell Croom beat Saban. I guess Saban should have been fired his first year too.

[yjnkdawg]

Only a fool thinks an immediate turnaround happens.

Hell Croom beat Saban. I guess Saban should have been fired his first year too.

Yeah and Kirby at GA too, his first year. lol

[Jarius]

We have not even had a bad year yet. That is how moronic many of the people on these boards are. It's half a bad year. Nobody turns a ship as close to sinking around as Leach inherited with six weeks of camp, no spring, and five weeks of games. It just doesn't happen. That is not how football works.

I am trying to convince myself that the people you are referencing are Ole Miss trolls. There is absolutely no way anyone with an elevator that goes all the way to the top can have the opinions they have or ask the questions they are asking right now. I really did not know these type people existed.

[yjnkdawg]

I am trying to convince myself that the people you are referencing are Ole Miss trolls. There is absolutely no way anyone with an elevator that goes all the way to the top can have the opinions they have or ask the questions they are asking right now. I really did not know these type people existed.

They do on message boards.

[HoopsDawg]

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[HoopsDawg]

Cohen new what he was getting when he hired Leach.

I'm not sure he did. Because I'm not sure many people other than Washington's D-coordinator knew just how easy it was to shut down the Air Raid by simply rushing 3 and dropping 8.

Clearly Bo Pelini didn't know it. And no one could have known just how reluctant Leach would be to making any kind of adjustments or variations to his offense. There were warning signs. And there were articles if you dug deep enough. But Cohen was caught off guard by Napier saying no. And definitely caught off guard by the Giants hiring Judge. Maybe Cohen didn't get to dig much deeper than the surface. And on the surface, it seemed like a great hire.

And you could have written off the 7 straight Apple Cups as Washington simply having more talent. But for the first time in his career, he's faced the Washington Defense 4 games in a row.

Adapt or Die.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Resign.

[Maroonthirteen]

Cohen new what he was getting when he hired Leach.

Id like to know the true story of what went down Thanksgiving night to firing JoMo to hiring Leach.

If what I've read here is true. Cohen having Napier and losing him with the indecision. Then I'd go with .....

F. Cohen takes off the rest of the season and quits. Coaches baseball at a small school
Somewhere else. Lets us hire a real AD

[Percho]

All of you need to go and watch the intro video of Leach as head coach again. The AD stated several things of why we did not hire Leach and then said why we hired Leach.

Watch and then sit back and wait.

Methinks the AD expressly thought we need a re-build. Of our minds.

[Mobile Bay]

Resign.

Are you tarded? You sound like you are tarded.

[Todd4State]

I am trying to convince myself that the people you are referencing are Ole Miss trolls. There is absolutely no way anyone with an elevator that goes all the way to the top can have the opinions they have or ask the questions they are asking right now. I really did not know these type people existed.

You must be new to MSU message boards.

I think the general disconnect is:

1. I think a lot of fans think that a coach can draw up some cute plays that "fit" our players and it will automatically succeed and we'll just out scheme the Alabama's of world and it will level the playing field. And if that doesn't happen it's ALWAYS the coaches fault no matter what.

2. I don't think they realize how bad some of our players are. So when they fail- despite the fact that some of those players have had the EXACT same issues with other coaches- well again it's the coach's fault. Apparently they think the coach has to catch the ball and block for them now I guess.

[Todd4State]

Id like to know the true story of what went down Thanksgiving night to firing JoMo to hiring Leach.

If what I've read here is true. Cohen having Napier and losing him with the indecision. Then I'd go with .....

F. Cohen takes off the rest of the season and quits. Coaches baseball at a small school
Somewhere else. Lets us hire a real AD

We never "had" Napier. If we did we would have hired him. And Cohen didn't lose him- I don't remember anyone on here on anywhere else saying that. That's was 100% Napier's decision. Leach wasn't Cohen's first choice. It's not like Cohen was hellbent on running the Air Raid like Byrne was hellbent on running the spread option. I'll even go so far as to say that Cohen probably would have hired Napier over Leach and there is 100% no doubt that he would have hired Joe Judge over Leach. And who knows who or what kind of offense Judge would have run here?

All of you need to go and watch the intro video of Leach as head coach again. The AD stated several things of why we did not hire Leach and then said why we hired Leach.

Watch and then sit back and wait.

Methinks the AD expressly thought we need a re-build. Of our minds.

Based on the culture under Moorhead Cohen probably wasn't/isn't wrong about that. The thing that kind of sucks for Leach and Cohen is we didn't have games against people like Tulane and New Mexico to work on things and get people reps into games. Long term it will be beneficial because we are playing top flight competition so there is something to be said about that.

Dan's era is over. It was over to me officially when Moorhead left. It was and is time to move forward from that.

[Maroonthirteen]

Joe was going to be fired post egg bowl. Napier had already been contacted. Then we didn't fire Joe. Weeks later we finally did fire Joe, THEN Napier said, no thanks.

My point, Cohen And Keenum screwed up waffling on Joe and left themselves with fewer candidates. That can't happen.

The whole press conference speech was Cohen telling everyone why he fired Joe just After signing day. Leach, while he was probably told of the discipline issue and to clean it up, was hired because he was one of few candidates interested.

[Cowbell]

You must be new to MSU message boards.

I think the general disconnect is:

1. I think a lot of fans think that a coach can draw up some cute plays that "fit" our players and it will automatically succeed and we'll just out scheme the Alabama's of world and it will level the playing field. And if that doesn't happen it's ALWAYS the coaches fault no matter what.

2. I don't think they realize how bad some of our players are. So when they fail- despite the fact that some of those players have had the EXACT same issues with other coaches- well again it's the coach's fault. Apparently they think the coach has to catch the ball and block for them now I guess.

Some of us just see some things on the field that stand out terribly. DCs are having a field day with our offense because there is almost zero misdirection. I don't disagree with any of the culture & talent issues that we are dealing with. The fact that we are losing games does not bother me. It's the fact that when I watch us play on offense, I feel like our guys are not being placed in a situation where they can succeed and nothing is being done to make up for any deficiencies we may have. What that shows me is Leach will never overachieve here, but will only be as good as the talent he brings in. And that's gonna give us about a 7-8 win cieling on the good years.

The other thing that bothers me is that these short passes we throw are hanging our wr and tailbacks out to dry. Our boys are getting killed out there sometimes to pick up 2 yards. It is a dangerous scheme in this league.

Little league coaches adjust to their talent.