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[confucius say]

I just think our players and university need to be very particular about what it is that is being championed here. Bc a lot of people are going to have a hard time supporting players and a school that are protesting in the name of Blake. But I think most will be good with supporting a movement that calls for racial equality. How the movement is framed is important.

[Gutter Cobreh]

For the people who believe Blake should not have been shot, what do you believe the officer should have done when Blake reached into the vehicle?

Here is a novel idea, maybe tackle the suspect since there were two officers following him closely as he walked around the front of his car. Since the officer has his finger already on the trigger, maybe fire a warning shot in the air. How does a situation go from 0-100, with the end result being a human shot 7 times in the back at point blank range?

Do you care to share with me the point of bullet #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, or #7? Do you think that is excessive force?

Please refrain from answering my questions, as they're rhetorical. I'm not naive to think that any message board or social media post is going to change anyone's mind. We can banter back and forth until we are blue in the face without finding common ground.

To bring this back to the topic, all last year there was post after post after post about the lack of leadership within our football program. You know what I saw yesterday? I saw leadership! I saw Kobe Jones leading from the front. I read where Will Rogers wanted to be front and center in the photos because he wanted to show his support for his teammates that feel disenfranchised. These are young men that have enough courage and spirit to step outside of the confines of their comfort zone to make a statement in a state that doesn't have the greatest history of treating everyone as equal. The responses on here about them and elsewhere is disheartening. We want leadership, but when it doesn't present itself in the way some had imagined - insults and disparaging remarks come flying from every corner.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Agreed. It?s incredible to me that the general message on here is a bunch of old white dudes who have NEVER experienced racism in their lives saying these kids haven?t seen the real world.... mf YOU haven?t seen the real world. Growing up white is the greatest privilege in America. Why can?t those on here just admit that, and realize there are bigger things than sports? Support the players or find a new team.

Growing up ANYTHING in America is the greatest privileged. I think this idea that whites are SO privileged is actually seems like an Anachronism to my daily reality.

Seriously, Indian Americans are far wealthier than whites on average. Ever been to a medical school? Walk into a fortune 500 executive board room. there are some whites there. Asians of all stripes are actually way richer, they live in the baller houses of Research Triangle of North Carolina and Mercer county New Jersey. People just assume that whites live there, but that's Asian Tiger Mom turf. Go stand at the exit of a Pfizer corporate building in St Louis at quiting time. You might see a few white dudes. Same at the Oracle HQ in San Francisco.

Literally, we hired 5 interns yesterday from Ivy league colleges. None speak English as a first language, it's a 2nd language they picked up. The #1 prospect decided to join McKinsey, Harvard kid that went to UFlorida for Engineering. He was a Korean American.

Seems like the chatter box is stuck in 1900. Or stuck in college Art and Sociology departments, places where only whites generally hang. They need to go see the happenings in the CS, MBA, and Engineering buildings, other races are doing just fine in America.

[confucius say]

I agree with the leadership angle. Said same thing.

The attempt to tase Blake had already occurred and failed. Read the DOJ report.
Firing warning shots? That endangers everyone in the area.
7 shots was unnecessary.

You have a warrant for your arrest and don't comply, get into p physical altercation with the cops, get away, then go get into your vehicle where there is a weapon, good chance you're getting shot.

Our society thinks it's ok to not respect authority. Sad.

[Matt3467]

Here is a novel idea, maybe tackle the suspect since there were two officers following him closely as he walked around the front of his car. Since the officer has his finger already on the trigger, maybe fire a warning shot in the air. How does a situation go from 0-100, with the end result being a human shot 7 times in the back at point blank range?

Do you care to share with me the point of bullet #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, or #7? Do you think that is excessive force?

Please refrain from answering my questions, as they're rhetorical. I'm not naive to think that any message board or social media post is going to change anyone's mind. We can banter back and forth until we are blue in the face without finding common ground.

To bring this back to the topic, all last year there was post after post after post about the lack of leadership within our football program. You know what I saw yesterday? I saw leadership! I saw Kobe Jones leading from the front. I read where Will Rogers wanted to be front and center in the photos because he wanted to show his support for his teammates that feel disenfranchised. These are young men that have enough courage and spirit to step outside of the confines of their comfort zone to make a statement in a state that doesn't have the greatest history of treating everyone as equal. The responses on here about them and elsewhere is disheartening. We want leadership, but when it doesn't present itself in the way some had imagined - insults and disparaging remarks come flying from every corner.

Sorry but I can't help myself but to respond to your solutions. Blake had a knife before he went into the car so you want an officer to tackle him and risk being stabbed? I've never heard of such a thing as officers firing warning shots. Police shoot to neutralize the threat. The officer was close enough to be grabbing Blake's shirt from behind so it's not unreasonable to assume that maybe that officer wanted to make sure Blake didn't have the ability to turn around and stab him.

As far as Leach's post I doubt he'd have a job today had he said anything differently. He came close to losing it already.

[Jarius]

Growing up ANYTHING in America is the greatest privileged. I think this idea that whites are SO privileged is actually seems like an Anachronism to my daily reality.

Seriously, Indian Americans are far wealthier than whites on average. Ever been to a medical school? Walk into a fortune 500 executive board room. there are some whites there. Asians of all stripes are actually way richer, they live in the baller houses of Research Triangle of North Carolina and Mercer county New Jersey. People just assume that whites live there, but that's Asian Tiger Mom turf. Go stand at the exit of a Pfizer corporate building in St Louis at quiting time. You might see a few white dudes. Same at the Oracle HQ in San Francisco.

Literally, we hired 5 interns yesterday from Ivy league colleges. None speak English as a first language, it's a 2nd language they picked up. The #1 prospect decided to join McKinsey, Harvard kid that went to UFlorida for Engineering. He was a Korean American.

Seems like the chatter box is stuck in 1900. Or stuck in college Art and Sociology departments, places where only whites generally hang. They need to go see the happening in the CS, MBA, and Engineering buildings, other races are doing just fine in America.

I have spent 5 years in countries where you are HATED for being American. White, black, brown, green, blue, purple, whatever. If you had that patch on your uniform you were not welcome. The idea that anyone has it bad in the US because of the color of their skin (systematically) is laughable when you actually get out of your little bubble and see the world and what's really out there. So much ignorance from people who can't wait to be the victim in every situation.

[Commercecomet24]

I have spent 5 years in countries where you are HATED for being American. White, black, brown, green, blue, purple, whatever. If you had that patch on your uniform you were not welcome. The idea that anyone has it bad in the US because of the color of their skin is laughable when you actually get out of your little bubble and see the world and what's really out there. So much ignorance from people who can't wait to be the victim in every situation.

Thank you for your service!

[Jarius]

Thank you for your service!

I hate to even say that because it looks like I'm fishing for a compliment and I really don't want to be seen as that way. I just can't stand the attitude that was being displayed. I do appreciate your well wishes.

[Commercecomet24]

Here is a novel idea, maybe tackle the suspect since there were two officers following him closely as he walked around the front of his car. Since the officer has his finger already on the trigger, maybe fire a warning shot in the air. How does a situation go from 0-100, with the end result being a human shot 7 times in the back at point blank range?

Do you care to share with me the point of bullet #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, or #7? Do you think that is excessive force?

Please refrain from answering my questions, as they're rhetorical. I'm not naive to think that any message board or social media post is going to change anyone's mind. We can banter back and forth until we are blue in the face without finding common ground.

To bring this back to the topic, all last year there was post after post after post about the lack of leadership within our football program. You know what I saw yesterday? I saw leadership! I saw Kobe Jones leading from the front. I read where Will Rogers wanted to be front and center in the photos because he wanted to show his support for his teammates that feel disenfranchised. These are young men that have enough courage and spirit to step outside of the confines of their comfort zone to make a statement in a state that doesn't have the greatest history of treating everyone as equal. The responses on here about them and elsewhere is disheartening. We want leadership, but when it doesn't present itself in the way some had imagined - insults and disparaging remarks come flying from every corner.

They had already wrestled with the man on the ground on the other side of the car and he broke free, they tased him to no effect, the options left were fairly limited. After all that you can't really expect them to wait to see what he pulls out of the car. Watch the second video that was recorded from someone from the other side it shows all this.

[Commercecomet24]

I hate to even say that because it looks like I'm fishing for a compliment and I really don't want to be seen as that way. I just can't stand the attitude that was being displayed. I do appreciate your well wishes.

I understand completely. It does show your experiences overseas and defending our liberties and freedoms. It's a great perspective. It's great to see all angles of this and people need to learn from each other.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Why do our players not boycott, or walk out of practice in solidarity, to protest the actions of their own teammates who have committed offenses? We have had players arrested, but no players seems to be offended that someone they actually share a locker room with is committing crimes. Maybe these athletes (collegiate and professional) are actually just protesting for their right to commit crimes with no consequences. Every time one of our players gets arrested, their teammates seem say things like "I can't believe they arrested you for that bro". Instead they should be saying "You need to be a better citizen and stop that type of behavior. If you are going to be in our locker room, that type of behavior is unacceptable."

[Coldhardtruth]

Two days ago a murder suspect was surrounded by police in Minneapolis. Instead of facing charges he decided to commit suicide. What did the peaceful BLM and Antifa protestors do? They looted and burned businesses of hard working Americans. That proved beyond any doubt that it's not about police injustices. It's about any opportunity to steal and tear down what hard working white, black, and brown Americans have accomplished. If you support this crap, you are an enemy to me. I will protect what's mine as will any red blooded American, no matter their skin tone.

[vv83]

Lots of stereotyping and assumptions made here. Now, now.

There are bigger things than sports and that's why i don't give two shits about a few of these players and won't give a dime directly to MSU athletics ever again. Enjoy your empty stadium with Nelly and Friends.

How do people this soft exist...?

[vv83]

Two days ago a murder suspect was surrounded by police in Minneapolis. Instead of facing charges he decided to commit suicide. What did the peaceful BLM and Antifa protestors do? They looted and burned businesses of hard working Americans. That proved beyond any doubt that it's not about police injustices. It's about any opportunity to steal and tear down what hard working white, black, and brown Americans have accomplished. If you support this crap, you are an enemy to me. I will protect what's mine as will any red blooded American, no matter their skin tone.

Is it possible to consider you are allowed to objectively approach each situation, assess them independently, and make your own decision? Two things can be true 1) Looting and rioting is wrong and should be punished by federal charges 2) our players supporting the idea of advancement and anti racism is right.

So now by your logic the entire football team is an enemy to you? I'm not saying every single one of them would be against rioting and protests. Hell, I'm sure some condone it. But I guarantee you there are tons of individuals out there who support the advancement of racial equality in America and condone looting and rioting. It's just amazing to me how both sides feel they have to agree with every talking point their political party spews.

[confucius say]

Is it possible to consider you are allowed to objectively approach each situation, assess them independently, and make your own decision? Two things can be true 1) Looting and rioting is wrong and should be punished by federal charges 2) our players supporting the idea of advancement and anti racism is right.

So now by your logic the entire football team is an enemy to you? I'm not saying every single one of them would be against rioting and protests. Hell, I'm sure some condone it. But I guarantee you there are tons of individuals out there who support the advancement of racial equality in America and condone looting and rioting. It's just amazing to me how both sides feel they have to agree with every talking point their political party spews.

I agree with 1 and 2.
That's why it's important to frame the movement correctly (as opposed to it bring a show of support for the actions of Blake).

[Coldhardtruth]

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So now by your logic the entire football team is an enemy to you?.

Pay attention this time. What I said was if you support looting and burning businesses of hard working Americans, you are an enemy of mine. It doesn't matter where you are from, the color of your skin, or where you went to school. Whether or not our players support that, I don't know. I haven't seen where any of them have said exactly what it is they are in support of. If they are going to protest, it might be a good idea to put out a statement saying exactly what it is they support and condemning the parts they don't support. This may save everyone a lot of trouble and make decisions a lot easier.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Sorry but I can't help myself but to respond to your solutions. Blake had a knife before he went into the car so you want an officer to tackle him and risk being stabbed? I've never heard of such a thing as officers firing warning shots. Police shoot to neutralize the threat. The officer was close enough to be grabbing Blake's shirt from behind so it's not unreasonable to assume that maybe that officer wanted to make sure Blake didn't have the ability to turn around and stab him.

As far as Leach's post I doubt he'd have a job today had he said anything differently. He came close to losing it already.

If a cop has to shoot someone 7 times from behind who is not running away (he was walking) to "neutralize" a threat, then they shouldn't be patrolling the streets. The dude had his kids in the car. Is he going to magically disappear, never to resurface? They had to take immediate action and shoot him the back at point blank range at that moment, even though they had yet to act on his outstanding warrants??? Keep justifying it all you want; as I said earlier - no post on this site is going to change anyone's mind.

They had already wrestled with the man on the ground on the other side of the car and he broke free, they tased him to no effect, the options left were fairly limited. After all that you can't really expect them to wait to see what he pulls out of the car. Watch the second video that was recorded from someone from the other side it shows all this.

Since both of you are so tuned into the situation and subsequent protests, I'm sure you've seen the video of Kyle Rittenhouse. This dude came from another state, armed with a AR15 as a part of a militia (aka "gang") to help "protect businesses". This dude shoots 3 people, killing two of them - walks towards the police and they pass him by - only to arrest him the next day. I'm sure you remember Dylan Roof or James Holmes and their crimes. Why were they given the decency of being treated as a human and not an immediate threat that had to be taken down?

Here are three examples of white kids that murdered people, yet they aren't as threatening to the cops because of the color of their skin. I'm sorry you can't comprehend the feelings of our players because they grew up differently than both of you - but don't try and rationalize one event while there are countless others that may clue you in on why our players may feel the way they feel.

[Extendedcab]

I have spent 5 years in countries where you are HATED for being American. White, black, brown, green, blue, purple, whatever. If you had that patch on your uniform you were not welcome. The idea that anyone has it bad in the US because of the color of their skin (systematically) is laughable when you actually get out of your little bubble and see the world and what's really out there. So much ignorance from people who can't wait to be the victim in every situation.

tried to give rep, have to spread it around more first. Good post my brother!

[Gutter Cobreh]

I have spent 5 years in countries where you are HATED for being American. White, black, brown, green, blue, purple, whatever. If you had that patch on your uniform you were not welcome. The idea that anyone has it bad in the US because of the color of their skin (systematically) is laughable when you actually get out of your little bubble and see the world and what's really out there. So much ignorance from people who can't wait to be the victim in every situation.

How many of those countries operated within a democratic government?

[Matt3467]

If a cop has to shoot someone 7 times from behind who is not running away (he was walking) to "neutralize" a threat, then they shouldn't be patrolling the streets. The dude had his kids in the car. Is he going to magically disappear, never to resurface? They had to take immediate action and shoot him the back at point blank range at that moment, even though they had yet to act on his outstanding warrants??? Keep justifying it all you want; as I said earlier - no post on this site is going to change anyone's mind.



Since both of you are so tuned into the situation and subsequent protests, I'm sure you've seen the video of Kyle Rittenhouse. This dude came from another state, armed with a AR15 as a part of a militia (aka "gang") to help "protect businesses". This dude shoots 3 people, killing two of them - walks towards the police and they pass him by - only to arrest him the next day. I'm sure you remember Dylan Roof or James Holmes and their crimes. Why were they given the decency of being treated as a human and not an immediate threat that had to be taken down?

Here are three examples of white kids that murdered people, yet they aren't as threatening to the cops because of the color of their skin. I'm sorry you can't comprehend the feelings of our players because they grew up differently than both of you - but don't try and rationalize one event while there are countless others that may clue you in on why our players may feel the way they feel.

You don't know how I grew up. If you did you'd realize how dumb that statement was.

It doesn't matter who was in his car his behavior was threatening. I honestly am amazed at how you think this is law enforcement's fault. The facts are laid out bare.

I can already tell from the first few sentences you put out about Kyle Rittenhouse you have very little information to be making the comparisons and statements your are about the 17 y/o young man. Sounds bad when you only say he came from another state but leave out that he lives 20-30 mins away and that happens to be across state lines, but that he works in Kinosha and has family there. This I can't state for a fact but I've heard that it was family of his that owned the dealership he was protecting. Leave out that the first guy he shoots and kills is seen clearly on video earlier that night very aggressive and yelling at the young man to "shoot me n****." That same man also happens to be the same one chasing Kyle through the parking lot and apparently attempting to hit him with what some say looked like a Molotov and others say a brick and when he missed he continued to chase and he got shot. The other two attack Kyle as he's running to the police line. One attacks him with a metal and wooden skateboard over the head and the other actually has a gun pulled out on him. Another interesting tidbit is that all 3 shot have lengthy criminal records.