Where are the insiders

[SheltonChoked]

not to mention that he was being arrested for raping a 13 year old and had threatened his wife. I am amazed that this is who players are supporting, amazed!

Per the arrest report and the warrant, this is not true. If he raped a kid, his charge would have been more severe.

I'll admit if I'm wrong, and I'm not saying Blake should not have been arrested, but it should have taken more than 2 minutes to try and de escalate the situation.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is a tough situation for me. I support our players and their right to protest injustices and don't get me wrong I believe that police do target African Americans more than whites. Talk to some of them and hear their stories. It's real. You can hear the fear in their voice when they tell their stories. And these are from people who have done nothing wrong other than being somewhere where they're perceived to be not welcome. However, the Jacob Blake situation rubs me the wrong way in terms of protesting it. This is a situation where a guy was breaking the law being where he wasn't supposed to be, resisting arrest, and then reaching for something in his vehicle which turned out to be a knife. I don't know what else they wanted the cops to do in that situation. All I've heard is outrage with no solution. Professional athletes claiming to want justice but their actions and words look and sound like all they want is revenge. I've heard no viable solutions and it doesn't seem to me that they're even willing to talk to anyone. Kushner is trying to reach out to LeBron James and it seems like he won't have a conversation with him. That's a pretty damn powerful man to be turning down an opportunity to speak with. There just doesn't seem to be an end in sight because despite everything they claim to want, it doesn't seem like they want to take the steps to do that.

[confucius say]

I realize I'm in the minority based on this thread, but I support our players (as does our head coach).

They have a voice and they expressed their views both respectfully and peacefully.

What views? I've tried to find what specifically was being protested, but crickets. If the point is to call attention to racial issues with police, ok. If it is to protest the shooting of Jacob Blake, that is a different situation, mostly bc our administration is encouraging the players and, therefore, our students may very well think it is ok to do what Blake did and not expect to be shot.

I would hope we use this as an opportunity to educate students and have discussions about police encounters, preferably with police.

[hopsondawg22]

This is a tough situation for me. I support our players and their right to protest injustices and don't get me wrong I believe that police do target African Americans more than whites. Talk to some of them and hear their stories. It's real. You can hear the fear in their voice when they tell their stories. And these are from people who have done nothing wrong other than being somewhere where they're perceived to be not welcome. However, the Jacob Blake situation rubs me the wrong way in terms of protesting it. This is a situation where a guy was breaking the law being where he wasn't supposed to be, resisting arrest, and then reaching for something in his vehicle which turned out to be a knife. I don't know what else they wanted the cops to do in that situation. All I've heard is outrage with no solution. Professional athletes claiming to want justice but their actions and words look and sound like all they want is revenge. I've heard no viable solutions and it doesn't seem to me that they're even willing to talk to anyone. Kushner is trying to reach out to LeBron James and it seems like he won't have a conversation with him. That's a pretty damn powerful man to be turning down an opportunity to speak with. There just doesn't seem to be an end in sight because despite everything they claim to want, it doesn't seem like they want to take the steps to do that.

They enjoy being the victim class to really put forth effort for change.

[Jarius]

Per the arrest report and the warrant, this is not true. If he raped a kid, his charge would have been more severe.

I'll admit if I'm wrong, and I'm not saying Blake should not have been arrested, but it should have taken more than 2 minutes to try and de escalate the situation.

The guy got up from being tased and fighting with POLICE, walked to a car full of kids, and reached into a car to grab something that the police could not see while they tried to get him to stop the entire time. This is 100 % Blake's fault and he is extremely lucky he is not dead. No one in this country should expect to do what that man did and walk away alive. This is the issue. People think cops ordering you to do something when you're being arrested is an option. This isn't the case. I can't imagine being arrogant enough to do what that man did.

[chef dixon]

What views? I've tried to find what specifically was being protested, but crickets. If the point is to call attention to racial issues with police, ok. If it is to protest the shooting of Jacob Blake, that is a different situation, mostly bc our administration is encouraging the players and, therefore, our students may very well think it is ok to do what Blake did and not expect to be shot.

I would hope we use this as an opportunity to educate students and have discussions about police encounters, preferably with police.

Its not just one specific situation. This whole thing is a continuum. Its a general protest to continue to raise awareness of underlying racial issues/biases in this country, whether obvious or subconscious. You don't have to agree with them, but its pretty obvious that is what this is all about at this point.

[bostondawg]

A timely plug that most of you could find the echo chamber you're looking for over at https://sippolitics.com/

[StarkVegasSteve]

Its not just one specific situation. This whole thing is a continuum. Its a general protest to continue to raise awareness of underlying racial issues/biases in this country, whether obvious or subconscious. You don't have to agree with them, but its pretty obvious that is what this is all about at this point.

And I have no problem with this. However, in this continuum I've yet to hear any real solutions. Seems they just want revenge and then move on to the next outrage. And I believe that they're people out there trying to give real solutions, but the problem is that the cancel culture and woke mob has drowned out their voices with their calls for revenge. They can call it justice, but all they're doing is calling for an eye for an eye.

[confucius say]

Its not just one specific situation. This whole thing is a continuum. Its a general protest to continue to raise awareness of underlying racial issues/biases in this country, whether obvious or subconscious. You don't have to agree with them, but its pretty obvious that is what this is all about at this point.

Ok. Did the players tell you that? That may be true but people on page 1 of this thread who know people on the team say it was about Blake. I admittedly don't know. Hadad said he was there and it was not clear specifically what was being protested.

[confucius say]

For the people who believe Blake should not have been shot, what do you believe the officer should have done when Blake reached into the vehicle?

[redstickdawg]

And I have no problem with this. However, in this continuum I've yet to hear any real solutions. Seems they just want revenge and then move on to the next outrage. And I believe that they're people out there trying to give real solutions, but the problem is that the cancel culture and woke mob has drowned out their voices with their calls for revenge. They can call it justice, but all they're doing is calling for an eye for an eye.

Quit using logic it confuses those that support this crap. Blake was part of the continuum of people fighting police and suffering a bad outcome, in certain folks view this automatically is the cops fault. There are no solutions put forth, it is pure unadulterated hatred.

Don't you know that Blake had a right to rape and threaten others? Just like George Floyd had a right to pass counterfeit $20 bills, Alton Sterling had a right to threaten others with a gun, etc.

[bluelightstar]

Quit using logic it confuses those that support this crap. Blake was part of the continuum of people fighting police and suffering a bad outcome, in certain folks view this automatically is the cops fault. There are no solutions put forth, it is pure unadulterated hatred.

Don't you know that Blake had a right to rape and threaten others? Just like George Floyd had a right to pass counterfeit $20 bills, Alton Sterling had a right to threaten others with a gun, etc.

America does not punish crime with summary execution. This is the most anti-American thing I have seen in this thread.

[redstickdawg]

America does not punish crime with summary execution. This is the most anti-American thing I have seen in this thread.

Is it now, you really construed my words into something that was not said or intended, quite interesting.

He wasn't killed because of the counterfeit money, that led to the attempted arrest. He then fought the police and then it escalated out of control. The act of fighting police is an extremely dangerous tactic, not something advisable at all. If he didn't try to pass fake $20 or fight the police we would never know his name. THat was 100% in his control, but it was the cops fault. How about the high levels of fentanyl found in his system could that have had an impact on the outcome? Let the facts come out before we decide that the cop is guilty. I know from what I have seen it is not good for him, but we don't know the full story either.

[The Federalist Engineer]

To keep this sports related - not Kenosha related - all teams will be faced with activism. That's gonna happen. Even in Geology departments you will have some kids demanding that class be cancelled for this and that. Right now, it's only the race issues. Already, you had Harvard-Yale with Climate occupation. So, even if the players are content, you could have a climate march that takes over Bryant-Denny before the Iron Bowl.

This is a common variable when a nation develops extreme left wing populism. Some colleges might become like Mexico's UNAM, Oregon and Cal already well on the way. Students and Professors are always in some state of unionization, boycott, strike, sit-in, occupation, flash-mob, march etc. Some kids start college at 18 and don't graduate until 25, because semesters and years spent on strike, in marches, or in boycott.

Even British soccer teams might have player strikes, they watch a lot of USA news over-there, except that game check might be forfeited with Professionals on strike.

This could be a variable for betting.

[gtowndawg]

I'm very close to just forgetting about sports, including Miss. State. It's just not worth the drama anymore.

[Matt3467]

Players are tweeting about it.

@OP, please update the thread title and first post to provide more details. I'm sure lots of people are confused. This could be a hot topic thread so make sure it's high quality.

It's abundantly clear that MSU has a ton of closed-minded fans. It is what it is. The world is changing, and it will leave you in the dust. So will MSU. Don't be left behind.

I know where my moral compass points, brother. I know where I stand today--and where I would have stood in 1964 and 1862, too. Our players can say the same. I hope you can, too.

Our players are men, and most will go on to do something that isn't football. I'm incredibly proud of them. And I'm honored to be a fan.

A timely plug that most of you could find the echo chamber you're looking for over at https://sippolitics.com/

Ironic since you've been a big contributor to this thread. Why don't you start one over there? Or is it not comfortable for you anymore since not everyone on this thread thinks like you?

[Dolphus Raymond]

I support what our players did yesterday and I am VERY proud to call myself a Bulldog today.

[vv83]

I support what our players did yesterday and I am VERY proud to call myself a Bulldog today.

Agreed. It?s incredible to me that the general message on here is a bunch of old white dudes who have NEVER experienced racism in their lives saying these kids haven?t seen the real world.... mf YOU haven?t seen the real world. Growing up white is the greatest privilege in America. Why can?t those on here just admit that, and realize there are bigger things than sports? Support the players or find a new team.

[Maroonthirteen]

Agreed. It?s incredible to me that the general message on here is a bunch of old white dudes who have NEVER experienced racism in their lives saying these kids haven?t seen the real world.... mf YOU haven?t seen the real world. Growing up white is the greatest privilege in America. Why can?t those on here just admit that, and realize there are bigger things than sports? Support the players or find a new team.

Lots of stereotyping and assumptions made here. Now, now.

There are bigger things than sports and that's why i don't give two shits about a few of these players and won't give a dime directly to MSU athletics ever again. Enjoy your empty stadium with Nelly and Friends.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

As typically happens, ideas and movements get hijacked. Cities and private property being burned clouds messaging. People aren?t able to think critically and no one is able to voice a concise plan to right wrongs in society.