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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcoRubio View Post
    6 teams is all we need. College football is special because the whole season is a playoff. Every game counts. A lot of years, you lose one you are out. You lose 2 and 99% of the time your done.

    6 teams would expand the current format, but leave the regular seasons importance intact.

    #1 and #2 get a first round bye

    Round 1:
    3 plays 6
    4 plays 5

    Round 2:
    1 plays 4/5 winner
    2 plays 3/6 winner
    Could allow 1 seed to choose opponent to further the importance of regular season.

    Round 3 is NC

    Those first round byes would be worth playing for. No NFL like sitting of starters the last few games. ie, Bama is undefeated, has Aub coming up so sits starters against State to save them. Hate that about the NFL. Almost like an exhibition game.
    You are 100% correct. I have always thought the exact same schedule as u listed was spot on.

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    Doesn't the current format run thru 2026? Will ESPN pony up the money to support this type of product, remember there has to be an investment return on up front money? When you talk about this kind of expansion, you are now encroaching on the NFL. The NFL has stayed out of Saturday Football in respect to College ball, maybe that respect might just be forgotten if college ball fails to understand its place in the food chain? The NFL will not stay unresponsive if college ball encroaches on it's money share. What happens if ESPN has to choose between the NFL or College Football? Based on this , believe that the ADs might not command the money market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Pac12 champs
    Big 10 champs
    Acc champs
    Big 12 champs
    Sec East champs
    Sec west champs
    Sec at large
    Best of G5
    This post would cause a crazy Oklahoma fan to attack you in a dark parking lot.

    I would say:

    5 Guaranteed slots for Champions (SEC, PAC, ACC, BiG10, and BIG12)
    3 At Large (will usually be SEC-2, BiG 10-2, and One Non-P5 Pity Case)

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    I think 16 is the right number unless you want to give bye weeks. You could say top 4 get byes and then let next 8 play a round. Go straight up top 4 regardless of conference get byes. Then have 8 teams which would include at least champ from each P5 conference and then maybe top G5 if they make it into the top 12-16, however it was decided. Use rankings and bowl games to decide where they play. Maybe leave 4 team playoff the same but the first round is played at home of higher seed.

    That only adds one game maybe around Dec 20th. It does take the higher 4 teams out of bowl games unless the go to bowls with a week or so turnaround.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe View Post
    I think 16 is the right number unless you want to give bye weeks. You could say top 4 get byes and then let next 8 play a round. Go straight up top 4 regardless of conference get byes. Then have 8 teams which would include at least champ from each P5 conference and then maybe top G5 if they make it into the top 12-16, however it was decided. Use rankings and bowl games to decide where they play. Maybe leave 4 team playoff the same but the first round is played at home of higher seed.

    That only adds one game maybe around Dec 20th. It does take the higher 4 teams out of bowl games unless the go to bowls with a week or so turnaround.
    I think 16 would be fantastic.

    Would grow the sport of college football immeasurably due to there just being far far more important games in November.

    It would increase late season attendance as the games would actually mean something.

    When is the last time the Egg Bowl or MSU vs Arkansas actually had national implications? With a 16 team playoff, there is a legitimate chance that every few years both of those games had stakes.

    I realize there are some negatives to a 16 team playoff, but it's also important to realize that there isn't a perfect system. However, a system that grows the game, brings about more big games, increases attendance, & makes more money is certainly better than one that excludes 90% of the teams in the country & makes November games more almost all teams virtually meaningless.
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    I can't understand a State fan not wanting a 16 team playoff. It would give us a chance once or twice every 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    I can't understand a State fan not wanting a 16 team playoff. It would give us a chance once or twice every 10 years.
    Completely agree.

    Maybe even closer to 3 times every 6 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Completely agree.

    Maybe even closer to 3 times every 6 years.
    I think the only way you see a 16 team play-off is if they shorten the regular season by about two games .... and I would be ok with that
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    I think 16 would be fantastic.

    Would grow the sport of college football immeasurably due to there just being far far more important games in November.

    It would increase late season attendance as the games would actually mean something.

    When is the last time the Egg Bowl or MSU vs Arkansas actually had national implications? With a 16 team playoff, there is a legitimate chance that every few years both of those games had stakes.

    I realize there are some negatives to a 16 team playoff, but it's also important to realize that there isn't a perfect system. However, a system that grows the game, brings about more big games, increases attendance, & makes more money is certainly better than one that excludes 90% of the teams in the country & makes November games more almost all teams virtually meaningless.
    2014 egg bowl had some pretty big implications as well as 15

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB30 View Post
    2014 egg bowl had some pretty big implications as well as 15
    Good thing Dan was completely focused and prepared for both of those.**

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    It won't matter this year. We ain't playing college football before 2021, if then.

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    I think a 16 or 8 team playoff would work schedule wise.

    For 16 teams they could play one week after Army/Navy which would give teams a couple of weeks off after the Championship Games. Then you could do the final 8 teams Christmas week. Then the final 4 NYD week. And then the Championship Game would fall basically the same time.

    Some people say that "Well, FCS does a playoff with no problem" but there are some issues with a FBS playoff. The FCS plays most of their playoff games at a homefield of one of the teams and I think the final is the only neutral site. That's potentially a lot of travel and logistics issues. And as a fan that's going to get REALLY expensive. I was looking at going to the FBS Championship Game in NOLA and the cheapest ticket was like 700 dollars on third party ticket services. For me if MSU won it would be about like me paying for season tickets 2-3 times that year. Of course they could just play the games on campuses and it would be cheaper. And they may very well decide to do that- I don't know.

    Travel on that kind of short notice could be crazy too for everyone involved. Like MSU- let's say we go 17-0 and run the table for arguments sake. First we go to Atlanta for the SEC Championship Game. Then let's say we go to NOLA for the Sugar Bowl for the first round. Then Pasadena for the second round. Then maybe Dallas for the third round before finally going back to NOLA. Right now my credit card is crying.

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    What I think I would like to see personally- and they'll never do it- is total realignment with a Power 6 conferences. So you would have five 12 team conferences and then the PAC-12 would expand to 14 and then you have the four "traditional independents"- Notre Dame and then the three service academies. (78 teams total if my math is correct) Kick A&M and Mizzou out of the SEC and go back to the way it was. Make the league more regional than they are now- West Virginia in the Big 12 and Mizzou in the SEC? Seriously?

    Then have.....drumroll please.... a 16 game regular season schedule. Start the season at the beginning of August. Play the other 11 SEC teams, four OOC games against any FBS team, and one FCS game. Other leagues have a similar set-up except for the PAC 12 which would be 13 conference games and 3 OOC games against one of which can be a FCS team.

    Do away with the conference championship games. (I know won't happen)

    Then do a 16 team playoff for the 16 most deserving teams. Keep the bowls for the rest of the teams that qualify. Non power six teams could qualify if they are worthy but they're going to have to be almost undefeated to get in.

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    four is just right, we have never had anyone win it that didn't deserve winning it since it went to four teams and there has never been a team left out that deserved a shot since going to 4. They got it right just like it is. Leave it alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Rock View Post
    four is just right, we have never had anyone win it that didn't deserve winning it since it went to four teams and there has never been a team left out that deserved a shot since going to 4. They got it right just like it is. Leave it alone.
    It's not about who wins it. It's about giving more teams something to play for.

    I think you're missing the point of 16 teams

    I also think with 16 teams, there's some chance that recruiting levels out a hair over time due to players knowing they still have a chance at more schools
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    This was solved in '98.... on or about the time the BCS came 'round....

    You cats are either too young to remember the solution, or didn't hear 'bout it...

    (teaser: it's a ridiculous 16 team dealio)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BB30 View Post
    2014 egg bowl had some pretty big implications as well as 15
    Did it?

    In both cases two of the best teams in the country were only playing for a higher status bowl game. Not for something that could alter who won the natty.

    How is that? How is it that two of the best teams in America were only playing for a stupid bowl game instead of playing for a national seed that could propel them to a championship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg View Post
    It won't matter this year. We ain't playing college football before 2021, if then.
    LOL. You forgot the *
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    I don't understand how any MSU fan would be against 16. You know your ass would be sitting down in front of the TV watching every single game of a 16 team playoff. Pretty much every game would have been the likely choice for College Gameday if it had happened during the regular season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Rock View Post
    four is just right, we have never had anyone win it that didn't deserve winning it since it went to four teams and there has never been a team left out that deserved a shot since going to 4. They got it right just like it is. Leave it alone.
    TCU 2014, Baylor 2014, Wisconsin 2017, and Ohio State 2018 all had only 1 loss at the end of the year and were left out.

    And looking back to 2014, there's no one who would have made the an 8-team playoff who wouldn't have been considered a deserving winner had they won it all.
    • For example, no one was clamoring for Baylor (11-2 after a 3-point loss to Oklahoma and an OT loss to them again) to get in, but if they had rattled off wins over Ohio State, Clemson, and LSU in an 8-team format, no one would be begrudging them their championship.


    The above argument is generally true in a 16-team format as well. If you assume that every conference gets an autobid (so 6 at larges) and no more conference championship games, you might get might get a few teams that don't really seem national championship caliber, but they would almost definitely lose in the first round or maybe second round anyway. They would still serve a good purpose in making the eventual winner prove they belong:
    • Like in 2018, 9-3 Florida probably gets in because there's no one else to put in their place, but they still provide a good matchup. Depending on how the seeds shake out, their presence means 10-2 Michigan or undefeated UCF has to win against Florida before moving on to the Elite Eight. It's incredibly unlikely that Florida would have won 4 games, the early ones on the road, to win the national title, but they would have helped winnow down the final 8/4 to the absolute best. If UCF beats Florida in the first game, people are less begrudging about them having a spot in the final 8. If they lose, we get better matchups in the final 8.
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