2021 MSU Football Recruiting Discussion Thread

[Todd4State]

Maybe I used the wrong word in "Great"

The state doesn't produce enough polish on a consistent basis.

Too many Stone hands types lack the polish to be consistent.

Texas produce those guys in droves.

We have to spread around our WR recruiting with the right mix of polish & upside.

How much of that is a MSU coaching thing I wonder? I can't remember having one single WR coach that I thought "man I hate to lose that guy" after they left. It seems like Ole Miss, USM, and even Memphis- all in our footprint- are able to find guys that can catch and run routes at an acceptable level. I'm talking about your typical three star WR here. There is ZERO reason why MSU can't find and coach those players up.

I think our RTDB philosophy has hurt us as far as recruiting WR's too. No WR wants to go out there and be blue collar and block and catch a couple of balls. Especially in this era where they see guys on TV being flashy superstars. No question this hurt us some with AJ Brown.

We have had some solid ones recently- Robert Johnson, Fred Brown, Arceto Clark and Jesse Jackson come to mind from Mississippi. Also, I think recentcy bias is here some because Dan did a TERRIBLE job of recruiting WR's after 2014 and it has taken us a few years to rebuild. How many years has Osirus Mitchell started despite being a late singee? He's turned into a good solid player- but he's not a guy that should be a three year starter for us. But he had to out of necessity. It seemed like every Dan recruit at WR for a couple of years was compared to Steve Smith, Jr. just like every QB we had under Croom was compared to Doug Flutie. Exceptions are typically exceptions. For the first time in years we're going to have a group of mostly juniors and seniors at WR- Mitchell, Heath, Payton, Austin Williams, Dontae Jones, and maybe some others I'm forgetting.

We definitely could and should be better than we have been at WR.

[ShotgunDawg]

How much of that is a MSU coaching thing I wonder? I can't remember having one single WR coach that I thought "man I hate to lose that guy" after they left. It seems like Ole Miss, USM, and even Memphis- all in our footprint- are able to find guys that can catch and run routes at an acceptable level. I'm talking about your typical three star WR here. There is ZERO reason why MSU can't find and coach those players up.

I think our RTDB philosophy has hurt us as far as recruiting WR's too. No WR wants to go out there and be blue collar and block and catch a couple of balls. Especially in this era where they see guys on TV being flashy superstars. No question this hurt us some with AJ Brown.

We have had some solid ones recently- Robert Johnson, Fred Brown, Arceto Clark and Jesse Jackson come to mind from Mississippi. Also, I think recentcy bias is here some because Dan did a TERRIBLE job of recruiting WR's after 2014 and it has taken us a few years to rebuild. How many years has Osirus Mitchell started despite being a late singee? He's turned into a good solid player- but he's not a guy that should be a three year starter for us. But he had to out of necessity. It seemed like every Dan recruit at WR for a couple of years was compared to Steve Smith, Jr. just like every QB we had under Croom was compared to Doug Flutie. Exceptions are typically exceptions. For the first time in years we're going to have a group of mostly juniors and seniors at WR- Mitchell, Heath, Payton, Austin Williams, Dontae Jones, and maybe some others I'm forgetting.

We definitely could and should be better than we have been at WR.

Some of that is definitely coaching, but coaching becomes infinitely easier and quicker when experience and the right tools walk through the door.

[FISHDAWG]

Never?

Rice, Moulds, Bumphis, AJ Brown, Metcalf...

.... Favre, McNair

[Hambone]

De’Andre Brown wasn’t half bad either.

[ShotgunDawg]

Paul Jones just Crystal balled Theodore Knox to the good guys.

92 rated 4* WR out of the Woodlands. Reminds me of Elijah Moore. Twitchy slot guy with Jets

Would be an absolutely HUGE commitment for us & possibly influence some in-state guys due to them realizing that they will have legitimate help around them.

[DEDawg]

Paul Jones just Crystal balled Theodore Knox to the good guys.

92 rated 4* WR out of the Woodlands. Reminds me of Elijah Moore. Twitchy slot guy with Jets

Would be an absolutely HUGE commitment for us & possibly influence some in-state guys due to them realizing that they will have legitimate help around them.

Good deal. We expect him to commit soon or this one going to drag out? Anyone else we think gets in the boat soon?

[ZedFedder]

Paul Jones just Crystal balled Theodore Knox to the good guys.

92 rated 4* WR out of the Woodlands. Reminds me of Elijah Moore. Twitchy slot guy with Jets

Would be an absolutely HUGE commitment for us & possibly influence some in-state guys due to them realizing that they will have legitimate help around them.

So did Demetric Warren.

[ShotgunDawg]

Good deal. We expect him to commit soon or this one going to drag out? Anyone else we think gets in the boat soon?

No clue

[Todd4State]

Paul Jones just Crystal balled Theodore Knox to the good guys.

92 rated 4* WR out of the Woodlands. Reminds me of Elijah Moore. Twitchy slot guy with Jets

Would be an absolutely HUGE commitment for us & possibly influence some in-state guys due to them realizing that they will have legitimate help around them.

Did he pee in his high school teams end zone and cost them a game? Or did he try to fair catch a ball after he caught it?**

[Jarius]

No clue

I believe he is committing in June. Not 100 %.

[vv83]

New commit https://247sports.com/Player/Thomas-Davis-46100112/

LB out of Georgia

[ShotgunDawg]

Davis has to be the first commit I can remember that didn't even include the head coach or assistant coach's twitter in his announcement.

It's incredible how much autonomy Leach gives his assistants.

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[ShotgunDawg]

New commit https://247sports.com/Player/Thomas-Davis-46100112/

LB out of Georgia

I like this guy.

Live bodied and has some twitch too him. Good feet

[BrunswickDawg]

I like this guy.

Live bodied and has some twitch too him. Good feet

This is where I'm gonna love Leach the most - dippin into South Georgia for players. Guys, Lowndes is a 7A power program and usually has a large number of D1 players every year.

[Bothrops]

I like it what I'm reading. Time to watch some video.

[ShotgunDawg]

This is where I'm gonna love Leach the most - dippin into South Georgia for players. Guys, Lowndes is a 7A power program and usually has a large number of D1 players every year.

Leach coached at Valdosta & Mason Miller is from South Georgia.

I'm sure we'll get significantly more involved down there which is great.

[BrunswickDawg]

Leach coached at Valdosta & Mason Miller is from South Georgia.

I'm sure we'll get significantly more involved down there which is great.

Miller isn't from South Ga - he's from Marietta and played at Walton - he's a friend of the family. He played at Valdosta State under Leach. Current VSU HC Gary Goff was a teammate. But, yes, Leach has lots of contact down here. Brunswick High's HC is a former player too (that's where Slay played).

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't understand this guy's offer list. He looks like a high 3 star type prospect, but doesn't have those types of offers.

- Is he a tweener due to his size? He looks bigger than 6'2" 225 to me.

- Is the lack of a Spring eval period & camps hurting his stock?

IDK, just looks like a player that should have many more options than what he's reporting

[ShotgunDawg]

Miller isn't from South Ga - he's from Marietta and played at Walton - he's a friend of the family. He played at Valdosta State under Leach. Current VSU HC Gary Goff was a teammate. But, yes, Leach has lots of contact down here. Brunswick High's HC is a former player too (that's where Slay played).

Ahhh. Gotcha. I knew Miller played at Valodosta.

[BrunswickDawg]

Ahhh. Gotcha. I knew Miller played at Valodosta.

With Leach at MSU my worlds have collided - my daughter at MSU and my son at VSU- I'm learning a lot about DII football.