Close the deal!

[CadaverDawg]

Let's play "what if". If he does go a different route, what do you guys think of the potential unknown in Brice from Clemson? Does he have just one year left as well?

[smootness]

The Washington news is problematic. I know we were expecting to get a commitment within 24 hours of the visit - it didn't happen.

Is there someway we can blame an Ole Miss agent?

Here is my biggest concern, Costello is a bright kid that understands that we are changing offenses, but making that change without really changing the personnel - at least for next year. We recruited and signed kids with an eye towards RPO. IT could be that he is wondering if the WR's we have on campus are capable of making him look good. This is a million dollar decision for him. Personally I think he should trust Leach and his offense and that we will put guys in the right spots and make the offense go, but I understand the hesitation - especially when he has one year to make himself an NFL top 3 round draft pick.

For sure. It seems understandable that a kid in that position would go, 'Oh man, I can go play for Leach and light it up!' I'm assuming he was already considering Washington State. Then he reads up more on our team and what kind of talent is around him and the initial thrill subsides and now he's making a more level-headed decision. I still imagine and hope we have a good chance, but I would think it isn't a done deal yet.

[smootness]

Let's play "what if". If he does go a different route, what do you guys think of the potential unknown in Brice from Clemson? Does he have just one year left as well?

Might as well do it. He's not some can't-miss guy, but he has experience and could do some good things.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Let's play "what if". If he does go a different route, what do you guys think of the potential unknown in Brice from Clemson? Does he have just one year left as well?

he has two years left

[chef dixon]

Plastic man never played significant minutes at PSU, whereas Costello is a proven commodity. Not to mention Plastic man played in the Joe Mo Shit Show offense. Night and day between these two guys and their situations. We ABSOLUTELY need to be on the edge of our seats about Costello possibly coming here. The difference in him at QB in Leach's system, versus one of our current QB's, is probably 3 wins or more if we're being honest with ourselves.

I feel like its short sighted. We badly need some continuity with coach and QB. Costello maybe gets us a couple wins? maybe.. and we still are not sniffing contention next year. I think it ultimately delays the QB issue another year. I see very few people 1 year from today comfortable with a RS freshman Rogers. I honestly think the potential is better with 2 years of Brice if we are going the grad transfer route.

[HailStateSZN19]

Let's play "what if". If he does go a different route, what do you guys think of the potential unknown in Brice from Clemson? Does he have just one year left as well?

Brice has 2 years left but is still immediately eligible. Idk what to think on him. Obviously if Clemson takes him, he's talented but he's about like Tommy was as far as you don't have many stats or game film to look at to know what you're getting. He could come in and be solid or he could come in and be no different than what we already have and not win the job.

It'd hurt to lose Costello at the last second when the confidence has been growing since late last week that we'd land him. He's a proven commodity and legit NFL prospect. The drop off from him to Brice is pretty massive at this point in time.

[CadaverDawg]

I feel like its short sighted. We badly need some continuity with coach and QB. Costello maybe gets us a couple wins? maybe.. and we still are not sniffing contention next year. I think it ultimately delays the QB issue another year. I see very few people 1 year from today comfortable with a RS freshman Rogers. I honestly think the potential is better with 2 years of Brice if we are going the grad transfer route.

It's a new day in age...the transfer portal is here and gone are the days of grooming a QB for 4 years. Look at OU, Look at Ohio State....hell look at Gardner Minshew with Leach. It's about winning now, and if he gets Costello, it could help us look good enough on O to be in line to get the next best transfer next year, or at bare minimum give our young QB's a year to improve. I dont think it's short sighted at all...or better yet, college football is now a short sighted game, so we can either get on board or get left.

[FISHDAWG]

I feel like its short sighted. We badly need some continuity with coach and QB. Costello maybe gets us a couple wins? maybe.. and we still are not sniffing contention next year. I think it ultimately delays the QB issue another year. I see very few people 1 year from today comfortable with a RS freshman Rogers. I honestly think the potential is better with 2 years of Brice if we are going the grad transfer route.

Totally agree with this .... I think that position right now should be more of an investment rather than a quick fix ..... whoever our starting QB will be in two years needs significant playing time next year

[chef dixon]

It's a new day in age...the transfer portal is here and gone are the days of grooming a QB for 4 years. Look at OU, Look at Ohio State....hell look at Gardner Minshew with Leach. It's about winning now, and if he gets Costello, it could help us look good enough on O to be in line to get the next best transfer next year, or at bare minimum give our young QB's a year to improve. I dont think it's short sighted at all...or better yet, college football is now a short sighted game, so we can either get on board or get left.

Those are blue bloods with rosters stacked with talent. We don't get to the championship contention the same way those teams do. We are not a plug and play program. Our best chances are when we have a guy like Dak who put in 4 years pans out. Just my opinion, but I respect the debate.

Editing to add: the Minshew thing was interesting, but definitely a much different circumstance in the SEC

[MarketingBully]

Guys. Are we really going to let a day visit bring us down? If he were extremely serious about Washington wouldn?t he set up a weekend visit this weekend to go through everything? To me this screams he wants another school to compare his experience he had at MSU just to have something to compare it too. I think Leach closes it out tonight and we have Costello as our starting QB for next year as our highest rated ever QB.

[CadaverDawg]

Totally agree with this .... I think that position right now should be more of an investment rather than a quick fix ..... whoever our starting QB will be in two years needs significant playing time next year

The teams winning at a high level aren't "investing". Washington State's best year in their history was with a Transfer QB from Mississippi. In my opinion, part of the change to a known commodity like Leach, is a change into the modern times of college football, which includes 1-2 year QB's. ESPECIALLY when you now have a coach that is going to attract some of the best year in and year out

[CadaverDawg]

Those are blue bloods with rosters stacked with talent. We don't get to the championship contention the same way those teams do. We are not a plug and play program. Our best chances are when we have a guy like Dak who put in 4 years pans out. Just my opinion, but I respect the debate.

Editing to add: the Minshew thing was interesting, but definitely a much different circumstance in the SEC

It's not just blue bloods, man. The reason you see it more in blue bloods is because these guys want to transfer to either a consistent top team, OR a system that will pad their stats AND give them a shot at winning at a high level while giving them one last showcase year for a potential shot at the NFL. That's where we fit in with Leach as our HC.

[OLJWales]

I'm thinking he's gotta decide on staying in an area he's more accustomed to vs trying to prove himself in college football's most elite conference with the most innovative offensive mind in the game teaching you.

Leach's resume with QB's is unparalleled according to many football experts and I'm sure the young man is taking that's into consideration as well.

[FISHDAWG]

Brice has 2 years left but is still immediately eligible. Idk what to think on him. Obviously if Clemson takes him, he's talented but he's about like Tommy was as far as you don't have many stats or game film to look at to know what you're getting. He could come in and be solid or he could come in and be no different than what we already have and not win the job.

It'd hurt to lose Costello at the last second when the confidence has been growing since late last week that we'd land him. He's a proven commodity and legit NFL prospect. The drop off from him to Brice is pretty massive at this point in time.

you think he's going to spend his last two years waiting on the Wonder Boy to get hurt ? ....I think Costello stays in Washington even tho they also have a new staff and Brice comes here after Costello announces.
I'm still not sold on the fact that we have 3 four star QB's that we can't find one of those to start developing

[CadaverDawg]

I'm not saying we can't be successful with a groomed HS QB, but if you can have immediate success with a transfer why not take it? Leach's system has proven these guys don't really need to be groomed to be good in it. And he is going to attract top transfers due to his history and scheme and even more now in the SEC. Seems we'd be crazy not to take advantage. Personally, I'd rather see us go 7-5 with Costello next year and then go with another stud transfer or Sophomore Will Rogers in 2021, than to go 5-7 with Freshman Will Rogers or Sophomore Shrader just so we can say we "groomed" them.

[HailStateSZN19]

you think he's going to spend his last two years waiting on the Wonder Boy to get hurt ? ....I think Costello stays in Washington even tho they also have a new staff and Brice comes here after Costello announces.
I'm still not sold on the fact that we have 3 four star QB's that we can't find one of those to start developing

The part you put in bold and are referencing meant Clemson doesn't take him out of HS if he isn't a talented kid.

I'm not a dumbass lol. Where'd you get the idea I was saying he'd stay there his last 2 years and hope "Wonder Boy" got hurt? Cause I can't find it. And btw, Wonder Boy only has 1 year left before he's gone but they're also bringing in a 5-star in the 2020 class who would start over Brice in 2021 anyways. But that's beside the point.

I simply stated that Clemson would not take Brice out of HS if he wasn't a solid QB even if he was sitting behind Lawrence for 2 years. There's the same level of unknown with him as there was with Tommy. Doesn't mean it would turn out the same but he's an unknown commodity at this point.

[Johnson85]

Those are blue bloods with rosters stacked with talent. We don't get to the championship contention the same way those teams do. We are not a plug and play program. Our best chances are when we have a guy like Dak who put in 4 years pans out. Just my opinion, but I respect the debate.

Editing to add: the Minshew thing was interesting, but definitely a much different circumstance in the SEC

With Leach's offense, we will be a plug and play program for QB's. If you get to the program in the summer, you can learn to execute ten plays out of different formations by the fall.

Not saying I want to rely on transfers or that that is Leach's plan. And I do think at some point it hurts you in recruiting if you are constantly chasing transfers that are just marginally better than your underclassmen. But I don't think we're at that point right now. Basically Leach's only QB on campus is a true freshman (I know he didn't sign him, but he offered him at WSU). If when he is a rising RS Sophomore, we are still chasing every transfer QB, at that point maybe recruits start thinking they're better off going somewhere they know they can get playing time and then trying to transfer in than paying their dues. But right now, we don't really have a qb on roster that should be worried about Costello coming in except for maybe Mayden, depending on whether tutor gate took him out of the QB competition or whether he really can't beat out Shrader.

[FISHDAWG]

The part you put in bold and are referencing meant Clemson doesn't take him out of HS if he isn't a talented kid.

I'm not a dumbass lol. Where'd you get the idea I was saying he'd stay there his last 2 years and hope "Wonder Boy" got hurt? Cause I can't find it. And btw, Wonder Boy only has 1 year left before he's gone but they're also bringing in a 5-star in the 2020 class who would start over Brice in 2021 anyways. But that's beside the point.

I simply stated that Clemson would not take Brice out of HS if he wasn't a solid QB even if he was sitting behind Lawrence for 2 years. There's the same level of unknown with him as there was with Tommy. Doesn't mean it would turn out the same but he's an unknown commodity at this point.

fair point ... I'm not totally up to date on all the transfer stuff - I thought maybe Clemson was after a back up .... and yes Lawrence still has 2 years of eligibility but I think he's gone after next season

[smootness]

Guys. Are we really going to let a day visit bring us down? If he were extremely serious about Washington wouldn?t he set up a weekend visit this weekend to go through everything? To me this screams he wants another school to compare his experience he had at MSU just to have something to compare it too. I think Leach closes it out tonight and we have Costello as our starting QB for next year as our highest rated ever QB.

I don't think anybody's totally bummed yet or anything, but any time a prospect goes on another visit, all bets are off, at least for those like us who don't know what he's thinking.

[CadaverDawg]

If Mullen is our coach, I like the idea of grooming a QB. But not with Leach