THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

[Irondawg]

Just because I'm curious what is Saban's big pitch and how does he come off as a great recruiter when he doesn't generally seem very personable?

[1bigdawg]

This year's ranking is hurt by it being a bad year in Mississippi for "stars." We have some solid guys in State and did not miss on many, Xavier Hill being the worst miss. We have two solid out of state guys and have built relationships in state.

We need to increase our recruiting budget to make it competitive. We should be able to get some really good guys out of Louisiana as LSU is only generally interested in the to 10 - 12 and there is a lot of talent below those guys. Alabama is tougher, but there are usually a couple of guys that slip through the cracks - those that are dead set on playing for Bama but for whom there is not room. Then we HAVE to get into Georgia. There is so much talent there. The top 100 guys are all P5 players.

I am not a Joe fan, but he is working well on the recruiting trail given our athletic department's limitations.

[Really Clark?]

Just because I'm curious what is Saban's big pitch and how does he come off as a great recruiter when he doesn't generally seem very personable?

A hand plus one full of national title rings

[Commercecomet24]

Just because I'm curious what is Saban's big pitch and how does he come off as a great recruiter when he doesn't generally seem very personable?

Even my backups make it to the NFL, plus all those rings.

[Irondawg]

That's what I expected, I just didn't know if there was anything more to it than selling the success itself.

[ShotgunDawg]

Just because I'm curious what is Saban's big pitch and how does he come off as a great recruiter when he doesn't generally seem very personable?

The reality is that about 8 programs have a monopoly on college football recruiting. Whether it's rings, paying players, NFL, etc, just make up an excuse for whatever day it is, you can't build a program to beat those 8 teams in recruiting.

Clemson has come the closest, but they've got some unique circumstances that have allowed them to do it.

[AROB44]

The reality is that about 8 programs have a monopoly on college football recruiting. Whether it's rings, paying players, NFL, etc, just make up an excuse for whatever day it is, you can't build a program to beat those 8 teams in recruiting.

Clemson has come the closest, but they've got some unique circumstances that have allowed them to do it.

Clemson is a program that was built by cheating. No one really cared because the ACC, in general, did not care about football. It was just a basketball conference.

[ShotgunDawg]

Clemson is a program that was built by cheating. No one really cared because the ACC, in general, did not care about football. It was just a basketball conference.

I agree with this

[Cowbell]

Clemson is a program that was built by cheating. No one really cared because the ACC, in general, did not care about football. It was just a basketball conference.

Please explain

[Bothrops]

Lol... compare recent to recent.
2012 - 22nd
2013 - 24th
2014 - 36th
2015 - 18th
2016 - 28th
2017 - 24th
2018 - 27th
2019 - 24th

There's been no real appreciable difference in recruiting

So what would you say Mullen's class recruiting ranking would be right now if he were still here?

[StateDawg44]

Who cares? He's not so why speculate other than to argue?

[msstate7]

So what would you say Mullen's class recruiting ranking would be right now if he were still here?

+-3-4 spots

[Todd4State]

+-3-4 spots

We're 20th right now as I post this. You really think that Dan would have us at 16-17 on the high end right now before the All-Star Games and the inevitable re-rankings?

[msstate7]

We're 20th right now as I post this. You really think that Dan would have us at 16-17 on the high end right now before the All-Star Games and the inevitable re-rankings?

Or at 23-24. Dan's best class was after a 10 win season though, and had he stayed, he certainly would've won 10 last season. He didn't though. This is all hypothetical, but what isn't hypothetical is that joe hasn't raised our recruiting rankings so far

[Todd4State]

Or at 23-24. Dan's best class was after a 10 win season though, and had he stayed, he certainly would've won 10 last season. He didn't though. This is all hypothetical, but what isn't hypothetical is that joe hasn't raised our recruiting rankings so far

Our ranking right now would be the second highest rated class in Dan Mullen's tenure. I think when it's all said and done it will be in the top 25.

There is more to it than rankings though. Dan was terrible at roster management. See our DT's this year. If you have the number 25 class that has the positions evenly distributed that's better than the number 25 class with one offensive lineman in it, three small slot type receivers, and most of the higher rated players on defense. Same as Ole Miss having a top 15 or even top 10 class but with 6-7 four star WR's a couple of random four star guys that have no shot at qualifying and very little defensive talent. And yet their fans wonder how they finish 5-7 every year.

The only unpredictable thing about our class currently is if the jackwagons at 24/7 sports will actually re-rate our recruits like Cooley, Dean, Will Rogers, and etc. like they should. I have my doubts. But hey- we're going off of "experts" who have as much football experience as the average poster on here.

[MetEdDawg]

Our ranking right now would be the second highest rated class in Dan Mullen's tenure. I think when it's all said and done it will be in the top 25.

There is more to it than rankings though. Dan was terrible at roster management. See our DT's this year. If you have the number 25 class that has the positions evenly distributed that's better than the number 25 class with one offensive lineman in it, three small slot type receivers, and most of the higher rated players on defense. Same as Ole Miss having a top 15 or even top 10 class but with 6-7 four star WR's a couple of random four star guys that have no shot at qualifying and very little defensive talent. And yet their fans wonder how they finish 5-7 every year.

The only unpredictable thing about our class currently is if the jackwagons at 24/7 sports will actually re-rate our recruits like Cooley, Dean, Will Rogers, and etc. like they should. I have my doubts. But hey- we're going off of "experts" who have as much football experience as the average poster on here.

Every one of those 3 you mentioned should be 4 stars. But I'm with you. I don't see a re ranking happening for all 3. Maybe 1 of them. Dean probably is the best candidate. But I don't see us getting the benefit there. People might lose their crap if we actually made a push to crack the Top 15. And we could do that with those 3 you mentioned as 4 stars and finishing pretty strong.

Wheat should also be a 4 star.

[Irondawg]

https://n.rivals.com/news/al-ms-game...s-1-on-1-drill

Some MSU guys in here. Harvey looked fantastic. I know he's undersized, but I could see him being a great 3rd down back type or maybe just winning some time in the slot

[Homedawg]

Harvey is not a back... he's a wr. He's a solid player. Don't think he's a game changer here though.

[HailStateSZN19]

Harvey is not a back... he's a wr. He's a solid player. Don't think he's a game changer here though.

I would agree he’s not a “game changer” but he’s put up some stats at Starkville and he performed very very well today at the MS/AL 1-on-1 drills going up against some other MSU commits at DB. He catches everything that’s thrown at him and seems to be a solid route runner. That’s an improvement at least over what we’ve had the last several years. He’d at least catch the damn ball.

[vv83]

https://n.rivals.com/news/al-ms-game...s-1-on-1-drill

Some MSU guys in here. Harvey looked fantastic. I know he's undersized, but I could see him being a great 3rd down back type or maybe just winning some time in the slot

Whatever happened to Alex Adams? Did we back off after he de-committed?