Well, the EB is our measuring stick per our admin and donors!

[Liverpooldawg]

I have not a single damn thing to you so drop that shit right now.I have not commented on one of your posts first. You came at me. I never attack anyone on here like you do. I'm here for discussions not personal attacks.

Ok fair enough. Treat me likewise. I still think your post was really bad though. They went endorsing mediocrity by not firing him. There isn't a whole lot more in play here than just that. We are not a blue blood who can get away with firing somebody after two years with a winning record and it not raise eyebrows. That he is under this kind of pressure already has raised some. I wish we were a blue blood, but we aren't. That is just reality. If he does what y'all think he will next year, and I'm not arguing that point at all, it will look a lot different. It will also be a bit easier to buy him out, provided the rumored contract extension isn't like the current one. If it is, I'll be right there with you when you go after Cohen. My guess is it's an extension without a guarantee beyond what we are already obligated to.

[Liverpooldawg]

And you don't know shit either.

I want to know if Joe ******* Moorhead wanted out of Starkville. If we brought back a head coach who wanted to leave we deserve every bit of the shit that happens nect year.

Do you seriously think we were going to stop him if he was GOING to leave (there is a big difference between wanting to leave and actually really leaving) That really would be insane. You are absolutely correct about one thing, I don't KNOW anything. I think what I posted is a reasonable theory though. There may be a time when I might actually know a little something on this. If it ever happens I'll post it.

[Commercecomet24]

Ok fair enough. Treat me likewise. I still think your post was really bad though. They went endorsing mediocrity by not firing him. There isn't a whole lot more in play here than just that. We are not a blue blood who can get away with firing somebody after two years with a winning record and it not raise eyebrows. That he is under this kind of pressure already has raised some. I wish we were a blue blood, but we aren't. That is just reality. If he does what y'all think he will next year, and I'm not arguing that point at all, it will look a lot different. It will also be a bit easier to buy him out, provided the rumored contract extension isn't like the current one. If it is, I'll be right there with you when you go after Cohen. My guess is it's an extension without a guarantee beyond what we are already obligated to.

I will treat you that way. Look at my history I will never attack another poster. I state my opinions or may agree with someone but I do not attack others because that's not how I am. Now if you come at me I'm gonna come back at you. I like the discussions on here and don't carry grudges

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Ok fair enough. Treat me likewise. I still think your post was really bad though. They went endorsing mediocrity by not firing him. There isn't a whole lot more in play here than just that. We are not a blue blood who can get away with firing somebody after two years with a winning record and it not raise eyebrows. That he is under this kind of pressure already has raised some. I wish we were a blue blood, but we aren't. That is just reality. If he does what y'all think he will next year, and I'm not arguing that point at all, it will look a lot different. It will also be a bit easier to buy him out, provided the rumored contract extension isn't like the current one. If it is, I'll be right there with you when you go after Cohen. My guess is it's an extension without a guarantee beyond what we are already obligated to.

So you're saying we can't fire a coach because some media people will say "who does State think they are, Bama?"???

WHY DOES IT MATTER WHAT THE NATIONAL MEDIA SAY???

I care about what happens ON THE FIELD! NOT in the SEC Nation for like 2 days before they move on. To say we should keep a worse than we can get HC because some media people will balk is insane. They don't cut checks. They don't get us W's. They don't put butts in seats. They don't recruit for us. They don't develop our players. They don't keep the bowl streak alive. THEY MEAN NOTHING

Why should Blue bloods get to fire a bad coach but we can't?

[BeardoMSU]

I will treat you that way. Look at my history I will never attack another poster. I state my opinions or may agree with someone but I do not attack others because that's not how I am. Now if you come at me I'm gonna come back at you. I like the discussions on here and don't carry grudges

All of which makes you a great poster, CC.

[Liverpooldawg]

Ahhh so NOW we're getting somewhere!

SO you believe that we can't fire a 6-6 coach in year 2. Why not? Do you believe we couldn't get a good coach to replace him if we did that? That's not true since we supposedly had Napier ready to sign a deal. Do you fear the national media's reaction? Why should we care?

I'm really not seing the problem with firing 6-6 Joe. If you have the money to do it, the AD and boosters who want to do it, and a new coach willing to take over, then yes, yes you can. Can you explain what's so complicated about this? Why we should fear some ESPN guys saying we didn't give Joe enough time? Why should we not be OK with Napier as a replacement?

I have posted this repeatedly, I was told 5-6 weeks ago that we don't have the money and he would be back. It came from a pretty decent source who I will never name. The posts that said we had Napier lined up had other things in them that quite obviously were wrong. It's a strong possibility that that was too. I don't think (please notice I sad THINK, y'all tend to miss that) we had anything worked out at all. I think there may have been some contingency plan somewhere that somebody got wind of, drew some conclusions that were not wise ones, and they ran with it. Why they wanted to do it y'all can speculate on. I do THINK (there is that word again) that had we fired Joe after the Egg Bowl win we would have found it harder than we would have liked to get a decent replacement. After a loss, maybe not as much. All we can do is let it play out. I'm going to support MSU as best as I can no matter what. All theses tantrums and boycotts only hurt the program long term. They won't change much otherwise. What will happen is going to happen whether the stadium s full,or empt. If he turns it around, that s wonderful. If he doesn't we will be in a better position all the way around next year when it comes to buyouts and perception of the firing.

[Liverpooldawg]

I will treat you that way. Look at my history I will never attack another poster. I state my opinions or may agree with someone but I do not attack others because that's not how I am. Now if you come at me I'm gonna come back at you. I like the discussions on here and don't carry grudges

Ok. Try to treat it like I do, I don't take it personally when people attack me personally here. If I did I would have left long ago. It's a message board. It's an anonymous place to vent. Personal really isn't personal.

[Liverpooldawg]

So you're saying we can't fire a coach because some media people will say "who does State think they are, Bama?"???

WHY DOES IT MATTER WHAT THE NATIONAL MEDIA SAY???

I care about what happens ON THE FIELD! NOT in the SEC Nation for like 2 days before they move on. To say we should keep a worse than we can get HC because some media people will balk is insane. They don't cut checks. They don't get us W's. They don't put butts in seats. They don't recruit for us. They don't develop our players. They don't keep the bowl streak alive. THEY MEAN NOTHING

Why should Blue bloods get to fire a bad coach but we can't?

Who said anything about media?

[Commercecomet24]

All of which makes you a great poster, CC.

Thanks man. I'm a pretty open minded easy going kinda guy but I'll scrap if I have too and I don't mind one bit lol.

[Commercecomet24]

Ok. Try to treat it like I do, I don't take it personally when people attack me personally here. If I did I would have left long ago. It's a message board. It's an anonymous place to vent. Personal really isn't personal.

Great but give me the same respect I give others try not to use the words "dumb" or "insane" when addressing people you'll have a better chance of people listening to you that way.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Who said anything about media?

You! Your exact quote is "Ok fair enough. Treat me likewise. I still think your post was really bad though. They went endorsing mediocrity by not firing him. There isn't a whole lot more in play here than just that. We are not a blue blood who can get away with firing somebody after two years with a winning record and it not raise eyebrows. That he is under this kind of pressure already has raised some. I wish we were a blue blood, but we aren't. That is just reality. If he does what y'all think he will next year, and I'm not arguing that point at all, it will look a lot different. It will also be a bit easier to buy him out, provided the rumored contract extension isn't like the current one. If it is, I'll be right there with you when you go after Cohen. My guess is it's an extension without a guarantee beyond what we are already obligated to."

What does "raised eyebrows" refer to if not the media?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

I have posted this repeatedly, I was told 5-6 weeks ago that we don't have the money and he would be back. It came from a pretty decent source who I will never name. The posts that said we had Napier lined up had other things in them that quite obviously were wrong. It's a strong possibility that that was too. I don't think (please notice I sad THINK, y'all tend to miss that) we had anything worked out at all. I think there may have been some contingency plan somewhere that somebody got wind of, drew some conclusions that were not wise ones, and they ran with it. Why they wanted to do it y'all can speculate on. I do THINK (there is that word again) that had we fired Joe after the Egg Bowl win we would have found it harder than we would have liked to get a decent replacement. After a loss, maybe not as much. All we can do is let it play out. I'm going to support MSU as best as I can no matter what. All theses tantrums and boycotts only hurt the program long term. They won't change much otherwise. What will happen is going to happen whether the stadium s full,or empt. If he turns it around, that s wonderful. If he doesn't we will be in a better position all the way around next year when it comes to buyouts and perception of the firing.

So you believe we should keep Joe because we can't get a decent replacement?

I understand going with your sources, but there's multiple different insiders here who say we had a "deal in place", and I find it hard to believe Napier wants to keep making $1M at ULL when he could make 3.5M in the SEC today. Again, Arky either isn't interested in him OR he felt we were a better landing spot and flirted with us, because he's not at Arky yet. There's no other SEC teams that will hire him this cycle.

I just don't think he'd go another year away from the SEC in the hope he gets another SEC offer, all because we fired a bad coach after 2 years instead of 3. Coaches are a cocky bunch too, so he probably feels pretty confident he can do better than 6-6 and not be competitive vs the big dogs, which is what it took for Joe to go in this situation

[Liverpooldawg]

Great but give me the same respect I give others try not to use the words "dumb" or "insane" when addressing people you'll have a better chance of people listening to you that way.

People throw them at me all the time here. I'm sorry if I had you confused with others. I just don't have a thin skin so it doesn't bother me. By the way, your partner in bashing me in this thread called me a 17in idiot. You can be guilty by association. Sorry.

[Liverpooldawg]

You! Your exact quote is "Ok fair enough. Treat me likewise. I still think your post was really bad though. They went endorsing mediocrity by not firing him. There isn't a whole lot more in play here than just that. We are not a blue blood who can get away with firing somebody after two years with a winning record and it not raise eyebrows. That he is under this kind of pressure already has raised some. I wish we were a blue blood, but we aren't. That is just reality. If he does what y'all think he will next year, and I'm not arguing that point at all, it will look a lot different. It will also be a bit easier to buy him out, provided the rumored contract extension isn't like the current one. If it is, I'll be right there with you when you go after Cohen. My guess is it's an extension without a guarantee beyond what we are already obligated to."

What does "raised eyebrows" refer to if not the media?

Oh come on, potential replacements. That should be obvious.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Oh come on, potential replacements. That should be obvious.

I simply don't believe that a ULL coach that CONTACTED US ABUT THE POTENTIAL OPENING would be turned off because we fired a 6-6 coach, not a 5-7 one. And even then, $3.5M a year and the chance to go against Saban, O, Gus, and Jimbo talks.

Moreover, it seems like Arky isn't going to nab him. Is he really going to stay at ULL another year in the hopes that OM hired him then? Because if OM passed on him he'd be out of luck as far as the SEC goes that year and the next too.

[Commercecomet24]

People throw them at me all the time here. I'm sorry if I had you confused with others. I just don't have a thin skin so it doesn't bother me. By the way, your partner in bashing me in this thread called me a 17in idiot. You can be guilty by association. Sorry.

Geez I give you an olive branch and this is what you come back with. Ok I understand now, I gotcha. It's cool

[Liverpooldawg]

I simply don't believe that a ULL coach that CONTACTED US ABUT THE POTENTIAL OPENING would be turned off because we fired a 6-6 coach, not a 5-7 one. And even then, $3.5M a year and the chance to go against Saban, O, Gus, and Jimbo talks.

Moreover, it seems like Arky isn't going to nab him. Is he really going to stay at ULL another year in the hopes that OM hired him then? Because if OM passed on him he'd be out of luck as far as the SEC goes that year and the next too.

Got a link on that? What y'all are trying to do is a remarkably short leash for a program of our heritage. It sucks, but it's the truth.

[Liverpooldawg]

Geez I give you an olive branch and this is what you come back with. Ok I understand now, I gotcha. It's cool

It's just an explanation why I didn't take you for your word at first. I was in a combative mood because of that. Hopefully you can understand that.

[Coursesuper]

Geez I give you an olive branch and this is what you come back with. Ok I understand now, I gotcha. It's cool

My goodness.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Got a link on that? What y'all are trying to do is a remarkably short leash for a program of our heritage. It sucks, but it's the truth.

I get you sticking with your own sources, but there's several posters on here (no I don't remember usernames) who said they had inside info that Napier was pushing for our job. So I'm going to go with the majority on that.

And again, you haven't countered my logic: WHy would he be turned off by our job if we fired a 6-6 coach vs 5-7? Or are you seriously saying that you want us to keep Moorhead even if we had lost the Egg?

And even then, you haven't said why he'd turn down a $3.5M SEC job to stay at a $1M Sun Belt job when there's very few SEC opportunities on his horizon. That doesn't make sense. Sure he might be wary we'd pull the trigger on him too fast, but again 1) Money talks, 2) his main priority is to ensure he GETS a shot at all in the SEC, and 3) Coaches think they'll succeed. Remember Moorhead saying he wanted to coach against Saban? I highly doubt in his head he meant "I want to get used as 2 minute drill practice at halftime". He was envisioning being competitive because he believed he would be competitive with Saban. Almost all coaches are like that