Our talent level is just bad

[Maroonthirteen]

You are correct sir. We have plenty of talent to win 6-9 games every year with a competent coaching staff.

If the fans, players and coaches hadn’t quit, we would get to 6.

[Commercecomet24]

Just going thru the motions dude ... just going thru the motions.

Yep. Just a team playing out the string with no inspiration or desire. Nothing to do with talent level all to do with lack of coaching and motivation from the coaching staff

[Commercecomet24]

If the fans, players and coaches hadn?t quit, we would get to 6.

Agree on the players and coaches part, fans not so much.

[CoachT14]

If the fans, players and coaches hadn’t quit, we would get to 6.

Have virtually no effect on the other two. The fans have been there all year for the most part except for this game.

[DogsofAnarchy]

It?s clear that we just don?t have horses regardless of coaches

You are incorrect. We have NO discipline, no S&C at all and it is killing us.

[MetEdDawg]

You are incorrect. We have NO discipline, no S&C at all and it is killing us.

No he's correct. Go compare our group of WRs to the rest in the conference. How about our DL? Secondary? None of those units as they look now are top half of he SEC even with good coaching. Having bad coaching makes it worse but those units aren't mid tier in the conference period.

[Irondawg]

No he's correct. Go compare our group of WRs to the rest in the conference. How about our DL? Secondary? None of those units as they look now are top half of he SEC even with good coaching. Having bad coaching makes it worse but those units aren't mid tier in the conference period.

Exactly. Hhow many times have you seen a WR of ours make a catch then just make a play that's based on pure talent where he makes a guy miss and gets YAC. I bet we're last in the conference in YAC unless Vandy is worse. In almost every other game I watch the WR look better than ours. I'm not trying to make excuses for the coaches - it's bad - but we're sorely lacking in talent in a few key areas to properly compete in our league.

[MetEdDawg]

Exactly. Hhow many times have you seen a WR of ours make a catch then just make a play that's based on pure talent where he makes a guy miss and gets YAC. I bet we're last in the conference in YAC unless Vandy is worse. In almost every other game I watch the WR look better than ours. I'm not trying to make excuses for the coaches - it's bad - but we're sorely lacking in talent in a few key areas to properly compete in our league.

We've got too many people that just want to blame Moorhead 100% because they are pissed. He gets a lot of blame sure. But we are young and lacking in talent and experience at some positions on the team. And guess what? No matter who we bring in, WR is going to be pretty awful. Secondary will be iffy too.

[Tbonewannabe]

No he's correct. Go compare our group of WRs to the rest in the conference. How about our DL? Secondary? None of those units as they look now are top half of he SEC even with good coaching. Having bad coaching makes it worse but those units aren't mid tier in the conference period.

So Zuber kicks ass in the Big 12 but now doesn't have talent to compete with ACU? Those Dline are mostly 4 star recruits and Rivers had a higher pressure rate than Sweat. So now he doesn't have talent?

Look, we don't have Bama or LSU talent but we damn sure have as much or more than UT, UK, Mizzou, UM, SC, and Vandy. This is purely an excuse for shitty coaching and leadership. A new coach can win 6-8 next year but I am sure Joe can get us to 4.

[dawgday166]

So Zuber kicks ass in the Big 12 but now doesn't have talent to compete with ACU? Those Dline are mostly 4 star recruits and Rivers had a higher pressure rate than Sweat. So now he doesn't have talent?

Look, we don't have Bama or LSU talent but we damn sure have as much or more than UT, UK, Mizzou, UM, SC, and Vandy. This is purely an excuse for shitty coaching and leadership. A new coach can win 6-8 next year but I am sure Joe can get us to 4.

It's useless arguing with anyone still wanting to give Joe any excuses.

[MetEdDawg]

It's useless arguing with anyone still wanting to give Joe any excuses.

See this is the problem. Not a single freaking person gave Moorhead an excuse. None. Saying we don't have middle tier talent at some positions after saying Moorhead is mostly to blame isn't giving Joe a pass.

Some of you go full on stupid when it gets time to look for a HC. Can't even have a civilized conversation. It's either all Joe 100% or you support Joe and defend him. How stupid is that?

[Commercecomet24]

So Zuber kicks ass in the Big 12 but now doesn't have talent to compete with ACU? Those Dline are mostly 4 star recruits and Rivers had a higher pressure rate than Sweat. So now he doesn't have talent?

Look, we don't have Bama or LSU talent but we damn sure have as much or more than UT, UK, Mizzou, UM, SC, and Vandy. This is purely an excuse for shitty coaching and leadership. A new coach can win 6-8 next year but I am sure Joe can get us to 4.

Very well said. This team is talented enough to win 6-9 every freaking year. Heck we may win 6 this year(though I doubt it). Competent coaching and not losing 10 players to suspension and this team wins 6-7 for sure.

[MetEdDawg]

So Zuber kicks ass in the Big 12 but now doesn't have talent to compete with ACU? Those Dline are mostly 4 star recruits and Rivers had a higher pressure rate than Sweat. So now he doesn't have talent?

Look, we don't have Bama or LSU talent but we damn sure have as much or more than UT, UK, Mizzou, UM, SC, and Vandy. This is purely an excuse for shitty coaching and leadership. A new coach can win 6-8 next year but I am sure Joe can get us to 4.

I literally said "having bad coaching makes it worse". So you took that as me defending Joe and giving him an excuse?

I would like to know how you went to me excusing him after I said we have bad coaching.

Additionally, comparing Sweat and Rivers is reaching at best. You compared one person. On a team of 85. Try harder next time.

[msstate7]

Very well said. This team is talented enough to win 6-9 every freaking year. Heck we may win 6 this year(though I doubt it). Competent coaching and not losing 10 players to suspension and this team wins 6-7 for sure.

Nah, zero talent... none of this is on joe! Joe is not the problem! Talent, fans, weather, game times, or combo of all, but not joe... not joe

[Tbonewannabe]

I literally said "having bad coaching makes it worse". So you took that as me defending Joe and giving him an excuse?

I would like to know how you went to me excusing him after I said we have bad coaching.

Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying. Sorry if that was the case.

[Commercecomet24]

Nah, zero talent... none of this is on joe! Joe is not the problem! Talent, fans, weather, game times, or combo of all, but not joe... not joe

Mullen did not leave the cupboard bare. He left us with a dang good roster and last years recruiting class was good. It's similar talent to what we've had the last 10 years. What's the difference now as opposed to when Dan was here? Coaching! Mullen got the most out of his roster, Joe hasn't. Not rocket science.

[dawgday166]

See this is the problem. Not a single freaking person gave Moorhead an excuse. None. Saying we don't have middle tier talent at some positions after saying Moorhead is mostly to blame isn't giving Joe a pass.

Some of you go full on stupid when it gets time to look for a HC. Can't even have a civilized conversation. It's either all Joe 100% or you support Joe and defend him. How stupid is that?

Ok ... I'll grant we have some young talent. Now we don't have LSU or Bama talent. Probably not AU or TAM but closer. And Shoop's secondary is depleted too with injuries and what not. On O tho, first you don't keep starting someone who can't catch a cold. Our Oline should be much better than they have been. If Hill won't block start Witherspoon. Don't know but I'm guessing his RS may be gone (hope not).

But when you don't work them hard, coach them hard, and work hard on good game plans you get about 70% of what they're capable of. Not real sure on the percentage but just taking a wag. I know it's significantly less than 100% tho.

Personally, I cannot see one area of the program outside of recruiting that is going well. And the verdict is still out on that this year. Last year we needed some LBs and RBs and came up short. We seriously deficient in RBs next year. Class wasn't evened out that well at all IMO.

[Homedawg]

If the fans, players and coaches hadn’t quit, we would get to 6.

Oh so it's MY fault?? F that. I quit because he sucks. Ill be there thurs Bc I hate ole miss. But don't blame the fans pal. We've been there. He made me leave Bc he is incompetent!!!

[Todd4State]

Some of the problem is he isn’t playing the best players. Start Shrader, Payton, and Dontae Jones and that in and of itself would help the offense out. Heck start Zuber or even Austin Williams is better than Guidry. Malik Dear has been wasted this year too even after being productive against Kentucky at running back.

[RougeDawg]

I can name about 80 other college programs in the country that would trade our talent for theirs yesterday. Talent is there. Coaching talent is not.

Why is this so difficult to comprehend? I means it?s a little above coloring book level cognitive thinking, but anyone with the ability to access the Internet and navigate said internet to a message board should be able to figure this out for themselves.