Let's not screw this up, we have to hire Billy Napier, regardless of the EB result...

[KOdawg1]

My biggest question is can he instill toughness? Bc we need someone to come in from day 1 to do that since Joe pu$$yfied our team in 2 years. If he can get after their ass and return us to our identity, I'm all in.

[msstate7]

They don’t pass because they have 3 RB’s already over 600 yards rushing. Uses his personnel very well. Very run heavy. Who cares about passing if you are 11th nationally in total offense. With better QB he would pass more. At ASU he threw it a good bit more than at ULL. Also, his QB ratings were a good bit higher than the passing stats.

And ULL is 9th nationally in yds/play.

[DeviousDawg]

87th in passing, down from 78th when he took over
He’s not balanced offensively at all. Very run heavy. That’s not where football is headed. Cohen was looking to improve our passing game last hire. He’s still going to do that to a point. We can’t win SEC games simply pounding the rock.

It’s not like he runs the triple option. His offense works off presnap deception and multiple options in the backfield when the ball is snapped. That’s what we need. You can use this kind of offense and deception to mask talent deficiencies and thus compete with teams above your level on paper IF the offense is run properly. His teams still throw for 200+ ypg and most of that is off the play action and also misdirection rollouts and slides. That means you have high percentage passes that work off the run, as well as the chance for big time shots down the field off play actions when the run forces a team to commit to 7-8 in the box. We are MSU, and at MSU we will never have the talent to beat the Alabama’s and LSU’s of the world off talent alone and 1 on 1 matchups. However, we can beat them and we can do it by using our offense to raise the talent through deception, toughness and precision. We can not and will not ever use the talent to raise the offense, it’s the other way around. Mullen proved that and now Moorehead is proving it too, but on the other end. Just look at the Auburn game last seAson. Offense raised the talent through deception, it’s what we have to do, so get used to it. We will never have a sexy offense, and will never have a sexy coach. Hiring Norvell could be a home run, but then again it could be a disaster. We all know about the skeletons in his closet, who is to say there are skeletons we don’t know about. Napier has no skeletons. Let’s hire him and start playing Mississippi state Football. Napier feels like Mississippi State football, and if I’m being honest, Norvell feels like Ole Miss football.

[Dawg-gone-dawgs]

Damn you kin to him or are you his agent?

[DeviousDawg]

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I?m

I would assume that if the NCAA had any kind of balls or f*cking pride, they'd be watching OM pretty damn hard if what you said was true.

The NCAA lost their balls, and their pride too, many, many years ago. Right now you are witnessing the beginning of the end for the NCAA. Blown investigations, inconsistent penalties, the basketball shiteshow, and now California being California. I don?t know how or when it will end or what will replace it, but I do know that we are witnessing the beginning of the long painful death of our dear NCAA.

[dawgday166]

It?s not like he runs the triple option. His offense works off presnap deception and multiple options in the backfield when the ball is snapped. That?s what we need. You can use this kind of offense and deception to mask talent deficiencies and thus compete with teams above your level on paper IF the offense is run properly. His teams still throw for 200+ ypg and most of that is off the play action and also misdirection rollouts and slides. That means you have high percentage passes that work off the run, as well as the chance for big time shots down the field off play actions when the run forces a team to commit to 7-8 in the box. We are MSU, and at MSU we will never have the talent to beat the Alabama?s and LSU?s of the world off talent alone and 1 on 1 matchups. However, we can beat them and we can do it by using our offense to raise the talent through deception, toughness and precision. We can not and will not ever use the talent to raise the offense, it?s the other way around. Mullen proved that and now Moorehead is proving it too, but on the other end. Just look at the Auburn game last seAson. Offense raised the talent through deception, it?s what we have to do, so get used to it. We will never have a sexy offense, and will never have a sexy coach. Hiring Norvell could be a home run, but then again it could be a disaster. We all know about the skeletons in his closet, who is to say there are skeletons we don?t know about. Napier has no skeletons. Let?s hire him and start playing Mississippi state Football. Napier feels like Mississippi State football, and if I?m being honest, Norvell feels like Ole Miss football.

His QB is 5'11 which he inherited and now a true Jr I believe ... little guy but fast. Completing 65% with 16 TDs, 4 picks. Seems like he runs to set up the pass, which is what we could've done last year. Not saying he's a HR but don't see anything that scares me off too much either. Seems like he's working with the personnel he has on hand to me somewhat.

[Political Hack]

Billy's wife hijacked DD's account again.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Excellent post. Best I've seen in quite some time here.

I don't get people calling into question Napier's passing stats. 1) His total O has really good numbers so who gives a F what of it comes from run vs pass? #11 in total O is #11 in total O. #9 in ypp is a really explosive offense. 2) This board will always have some people who think we should #alwaysrunneverpass, and some people that think we need to sling it all over to keep up with where the game seems to be going. Some people think we have to take an offensive risk to ever become elite, some think we'll never get the athletes needed for a passing O and should stick to physical football.

No matter who we discuss, someone will be upset because we don't agree on philosophy.

I like Napier. A lot. Improvement each years he's been there shows he can coach. Best recruiting class in his conference means he knows how to sell what he's doing to players. We've played him early in the season twice and both years his O has been disciplined, fast, knows what it's doing, executes well, and the game plan was really good as far as attacking the weaknesses of our D. Far cleaner in the early season than we've been, even under Dan. His O isn't reliant on freaks at RB and QB, it will work with what we have. Most importantly, he's shown he can make a good O while also handling the HC responsibilities. And, as this post points out, he's recruited in Alabama and Louisiana and worked under the 2 best football coaches in the country.

I also like Norvell, but what exactly is his resume? Took a good program that had it's coach poached and made them a little better. Good O, bad D every year, works just up the road from us so should know a lot of the recruiting landscape. Track record of assistants getting poached so he probably has a good eye for coaches. Rumored to have off field issues.

To me, it seems clear Napier is a better hire, but I like Norvell and for all I know he'd do better

[dawgday166]

He?s the smoke screen. And you left off his team?s passing stats for a reason.

Seems like you may know something we don't.

[DeviousDawg]

Damn you kin to him or are you his agent?

No, I just love Mississippi State football and can see that Napier is by far the best, most realistic fit, and would like for the rest of the fan base to see this before it gets crazy up in here with rumors and names. I’ll say one thing, Cooterpoot says he is a smoke screen, I can verify that that is simply not true. Very serious candidate if and when the job becomes available.

Side note: we aren’t technically related, that’s why they call it in-laws***

[HoopsDawg]

Napier's offensive schemes and philosophy remind me a lot of Malzahns.

[confucius say]

Does norvells complete lack of defense scare anyone else? If I remember correctly, there was a post on here a while back about how bad Memphis defense is in their own conference.

[dawgday166]

Does norvells complete lack of defense scare anyone else? If I remember correctly, there was a post on here a while back about how bad Memphis defense is in their own conference.

It do to me.

[msstate7]

Does norvells complete lack of defense scare anyone else? If I remember correctly, there was a post on here a while back about how bad Memphis defense is in their own conference.

Certainly not good, but not awful...
Total def: 6th in 2019 and 2018
Yds/play: 6th in 2019 and 2018
Scoring def: 6th in 2019 and 2018

ETA... 12 teams in AAC

[dawgday166]

Certainly not good, but not awful...
Total def: 6th in 2019 and 2018
Yds/play: 6th in 2019 and 2018
Scoring def: 6th in 2019 and 2018

ETA... 12 teams in AAC

That be poor to me. Needs improvement from one year to next. He been there 4 years and only got it up to 6th out of 12. Top 3 would make me feel better.

[confucius say]

Certainly not good, but not awful...
Total def: 6th in 2019 and 2018
Yds/play: 6th in 2019 and 2018
Scoring def: 6th in 2019 and 2018

ETA... 12 teams in AAC

So dead middle. Better than I thought.

If the gambling and the sex can even be halfway substantiated, i dont see Cohen going that route after Cannizzaro

[confucius say]

Certainly not good, but not awful...
Total def: 6th in 2019 and 2018
Yds/play: 6th in 2019 and 2018
Scoring def: 6th in 2019 and 2018

ETA... 12 teams in AAC

How does ULL do defensively?

[dawgday166]

How does ULL do defensively?

This year in conference 2 and 38th nationally.

ETA: Memphis is 57th nationally.

ETAA: Napier coached 5 years under Saban. That's a plus in my book.

[Tbonewannabe]

Does norvells complete lack of defense scare anyone else? If I remember correctly, there was a post on here a while back about how bad Memphis defense is in their own conference.

They did hold UM to one of their lowest scoring games. I am not sure if I have a preference.

[dawgday166]

They did hold UM to one of their lowest scoring games. I am not sure if I have a preference.

That was 1st game of year. Primadonna was still QB for OM then. RR hadn't yet figured out what he had overall.