Writing is on the wall...

[Goldendawg]

All of this can be true and we can still look stupid firing a coach who takes us to two bowl games in two years without having a coach lined up if we hire Rick Ray. That was the mistake we made with Stans: not getting rid of him, but getting rid of him without a next move ready to go.

PS: Winning 6 with our schedule this year and going to one of about 100 bowls is not that big a deal anymore.

[Political Hack]

If we make the move- We have already done that. JoVester is our Rick Ray

I think so too. Ultimately I think that's what it comes down to. Can Cohen find a guy he has more confidence in to build the program going forward? I think there are plenty of guys out there right now that would fit that bill...

[Liverpooldawg]

Heck, Jo is a football version of Rick Ray. We have already done that. The only people I know that want us to keep him is UM fans I put up with at work. It's one of 14 SEC. big boy football jobs with a big time $alary. I'm 64 and have seen a lot of MSU coaches. He does not fit us or the SEC. There is a good HC out there ready for the job and the challenge. We are not poor little MSU anymore. Hail State!

Rick Ray never had a winning record.

[dawgday166]

Rick Ray never had a winning record.

Rick Ray didn't come into MSU with Stans' 2004 team waiting for him either.

[CoachT14]

Rick Ray never had a winning record.

Slomo only has a winning record by default. So don't try going to use that straw man.

[Goldendawg]

Rick Ray never had a winning record.

Keep Jo and he will have a losing record in another year and the team will regress even more. Man, we have some low expectations all of a sudden. This is no longer the MSU of 6-6 or worse is fine long as we beat Ole Miss.

[Coach34]

Rick Ray never had a winning record.

Rick Ray didn't have Dampier, Super D, Bullard, Big Country, and Greg Carter waiting for him to coach in his 1st season also. JoVester walked into that

[confucius say]

PS: Winning 6 with our schedule this year and going to one of about 100 bowls is not that big a deal anymore.

Our schedule? Weve played the toughest schedule in the country by one service and top 5 by every service.

http://powerrankingsguru.com/college...f-schedule.php

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fbsched...k-12-2019/amp/

[Homedawg]

Our schedule? Weve played the toughest schedule in the country by one service and top 5 by every service.

http://powerrankingsguru.com/college...f-schedule.php

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fbsched...k-12-2019/amp/

Correct bama LSU auburn A&M only us ark and ole miss have to do that... . Then we managed to gag uT and lose to KSU at home and yeah yeah I know they beat Ou. That's not a good team, the big 12 sucks. They tried to give it to us and we still lost

[Goldendawg]

Our schedule? Weve played the toughest schedule in the country by one service and top 5 by every service.

http://powerrankingsguru.com/college...f-schedule.php

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fbsched...k-12-201enimp/

That's an overall rating. So you are ok with us losing to that powerhouse TN at the time of the game and our "genius coach" having two weeks to prepare for that game. How about our home loss to KSU that recruits players ranked so much higher than us?*** bama and LSU better be glad they don't have ACU this Sat. Hey and I guess you have no hope that we can or should beat that 4-7 UM. These are 4 games we should not have lost or lose and that gives us a predicted 8-4 record. If you you lived it, guess you were ok with Tech and 10. Talk about low expectations and making overall strength of schedule be an excuse. If we win the next two and go 6-6, what's our signature victory over this bunch of tough teams*? Hail State and at 6-6 we are the best of a bunch of weak sisters and looked worse and worse beating these "heavy weights" under Jo who has been a fish out of water since KY last year!

[Todd4State]

We'll find out what type of leadership we have.

Will they do what's in the best interest of the program or will they just want to be fair?

The staff stinks. Everyone knows that.

While I think our AD staff is lazy in general and Cohen has no clue about anything other than baseball and may be taken advantage of by the current staff....I think they still want to win.

If we're talking about fair- what Joe has put out on the football field and off has been unfair to the MSU family. Don't roll up to a 6-6 Tennessee team while looking unprepared and then bring up that your daughter was crying because some fan in the stands yelled that you suck. It's also unfair to the football players to have this kind of leadership and preparation for gamedays.

[Todd4State]

That's an overall rating. So you are ok with us losing to that powerhouse TN at the time of the game and our "genius coach" having two weeks to prepare for that game. How about our home loss to KSU that recruits players ranked so much higher than us?*** bama and LSU better be glad they don't have ACU this Sat. Hey and I guess you have no hope that we can or should beat that 4-7 UM. These are 4 games we should not have lost or lose and that gives us a predicted 8-4 record. If you you lived it, guess you were ok with Tech and 10. Talk about low expectations and making overall strength of schedule be an excuse. If we win the next two and go 6-6, what's our signature victory over this bunch of tough teams*? Hail State and at 6-6 we are the best of a bunch of weak sisters and looked worse and worse beating these "heavy weights" under Jo who has been a fish out of water since KY last year!

Here's reality:

Yeah- we do play a tough schedule. And no it doesn't excuse losing to Tennessee or K-State. Or being blown out multiple times.

But I also think that the fact that we have that kind of schedule and still have a chance to go 6-6 with everything that is going on is pretty encouraging.

[Goldendawg]

They were by no means 6-6, but your point is correct. I know it was hot when my son and I were at the KSU game trying to give away 6 very good Section 4 tickets to State fans without, but I was totally shocked and disgusted that they were going for $5 outside DWS. I think Jo took a few tips from Croom's book on coaching at MSU. Burn everything to the ground, even some good you inherited, ( alot in Jo's case) and be as stubborn and full of bull with coach-speak as you can. Examples from Jo: Before the bama game, "our offense has averaged 42 ppg the last two games, ( yeah garbage time in the last loss and a win against Arky), and never forget after an 82 yard offensive passing explosion against bama. We will fix that this week. Well, my hopes were not very high as it is game 11 Sat. He will think we faced a top 4 team if we move the ball against AC. Championship Standards, shelf space for Heismans, ring sizes. Bet he interviewed well with the IB. What a under achieving joke!

[Goldendawg]

Here's reality:

Yeah- we do play a tough schedule. And no it doesn't excuse losing to Tennessee or K-State. Or being blown out multiple times.

But I also think that the fact that we have that kind of schedule and still have a chance to go 6-6 with everything that is going on is pretty encouraging.

And who of that still not achieved 6 wins is a good team? I'm soon to be 65 and we beat that 6, and one of them was Ole Miss is no longer acceptable. BTW, there were not many style points in some of these yet to be achieved 6 wins. Bar sure got low in a hurry this year and last. Hail State!

[msugolf]

All of this can be true and we can still look stupid firing a coach who takes us to two bowl games in two years without having a coach lined up if we hire Rick Ray. That was the mistake we made with Stans: not getting rid of him, but getting rid of him without a next move ready to go.

It sounds like you are more worried about what other people think and you hate change out of fear. Cause I know there isn't anyone dumb enough that can think he has this thing headed in the right direction.

So you'd be willing to risk falling further down this hell hole (Arkansas) out of fear of making a bad hire, which we already have done? That's paralysis by analysis if I've ever seen it.

Or else you think SloMo is the man for the job. I'd love to hear you try and sell me on that.

[Todd4State]

And who of that still not achieved 6 wins is a good team? I'm soon to be 65 and we beat that 6, and one of them was Ole Miss is no longer acceptable. BTW, there were not many style points in some of these yet to be achieved 6 wins. Bar sure got low in a hurry this year and last. Hail State!

I'm not sure what you are asking. My opinion is we are a good team that is probably an 8 win caliber team that has been coached down to six wins.

If you're talking about our schedule:

ULL- Might win the Sun Belt and probably wins at least 10 games with losses to us and Appalachain State. Heck- a lot of us want their coach.
USM- 7-3 with losses to MSU and Alabama and La Tech who is first in their division in C-USA. USM could win a co-championship in their division with La Tech and is probably an 8 win team at worst.
Kentucky- Pretty much a lock to go 6-6 at worst and their coach is a candidate for the FSU job.
K-State- 6-4 with losses to Oklahoma State, Texas, Baylor, and West Virginia and have a very nice win over Oklahoma. Have a first year coach and I think they win at least seven games this year.
Auburn- An 8 win team at worst and they may pull 9 with Tua out.
Tennessee- Almost a lock for 6 wins at worst and could pull 7 if they beat Mizzou.
LSU- Undefeated and could win the SEC and National Title.
Texas A&M- I think they end up 7-5 with a meat grinder of a schedule meaning they're probably better than their record- had to play Clemson, LSU, Georgia, and Alabama.
Arkansas- LOL. 2-8 and we blew them out.
Alabama- One loss team that may end up in the playoffs. No worse than 10-2 because their QB is out. Still have a chance at 11-1.
Abeline Christian- FCS team
Ole Miss- 4-7 at the moment.

That's a very difficult schedule any way you cut it.

[Coach34]

We are always going to have a tough schedule. We play in the SEC West.

[Liverpooldawg]

Rick Ray didn't have Dampier, Super D, Bullard, Big Country, and Greg Carter waiting for him to coach in his 1st season also. JoVester walked into that

People play both ways in basketball.

[Coursesuper]

People play both ways in basketball.

Dude, really.

[Coach34]

People play both ways in basketball.

not seeing the problem? JoVester also inherited the SEC’s all-time leading rusher at QB, a one thousand yard rusher in Williams along with a probable NFL talent in Hill. 2 linemen that are now in the NFL- one considered to be the top rookie OL guy. Plus he will have another drafted this year- so that’s 3 NFL linemen of the 5 he started last year. Then add Green plus the WR’s.

8 returning offensive starters from an offense that was ranked 41st in the country in 2017. Yeah- poor JoVester