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[Captain Falcon]

If you are genuinely rooting for Ole Miss, you are more concerned about being able to say you were right than you are concerned with what?s best for the school. It may be unlikely, but the best thing for MSU is for Moorhead to get things turned around himself and for us to win under his watch. Until he?s not our coach anymore, you should want him to succeed here, even if you?re skeptical about it happening.

To me, rooting for us to lose to our 4-7 arch rival is petty and self-serving. Your hate for Moorhead is greater than your desire for MSU to win. And it?s built off an assumption that if we lose then it will help us win in the future, which is an enormous ?if?. Be careful what you wish for, we could lose to Ole Miss and either still keep Joe another year or hire another bad coach.

I have zero patience for the ?rooting for us to lose the Egg Bowl? crowd.

[Liverpooldawg]

I don't remember that 2013.

Also, that was with a coach that had already taken us to multiple bowl games & beat Michigan in the Gator Bowl by a million.

It happened

[msstate7]

I'm sure all you criticizing shotgun were pulling for us to beat om in 2008. Just think how differently things could've been for us had croom won that game, no mullen

[BeardoMSU]

I'm sure all you criticizing shotgun were pulling for us to beat om in 2008. Just think how differently things could've been for us had croom won that game, no mullen

As long as we go 1-11, we're a good program!**

[TUSK]

What would you advise us to do?

I can't intelligently speak for y'all's situation, Bammer's was totally different... They were pissing away Top 5 type talent and getting in trouble, simultaneously... Dubose was toxic to the program...

If y'all KNOW (FOR A FACT) that JoMo isn't the answer, you have to fire him... If the powers that be won't fire him, you fire them... Hell, at Bammer, we usually fire the President, then the Coach...lol

And I'll add... "Money be damned"....

I actually have to work some today... I'll catch you cats later...


edit: think of a really bad coach as a "cancer"... ya gotta cut that shit out asap... Rooting for the Hogs was my "chemo", if you will.... (please note I am NOT making light of cancer... it's an analogy-thingy)

[ShotgunDawg]

If y'all KNOW (FOR A FACT) that JoMo isn't the answer, you have to fire him...

Exactly

[Liverpooldawg]

Exactly

You did notice the words he put in bold? So when are you moving to NAFOOM? That's where I thought those that root for the Confederates hang out.

[StateDawg44]

If you are genuinely rooting for Ole Miss, you are more concerned about being able to say you were right than you are concerned with what?s best for the school. It may be unlikely, but the best thing for MSU is for Moorhead to get things turned around himself and for us to win under his watch. Until he?s not our coach anymore, you should want him to succeed here, even if you?re skeptical about it happening.

To me, rooting for us to lose to our 4-7 arch rival is petty and self-serving. Your hate for Moorhead is greater than your desire for MSU to win. And it?s built off an assumption that if we lose then it will help us win in the future, which is an enormous ?if?. Be careful what you wish for, we could lose to Ole Miss and either still keep Joe another year or hire another bad coach.

I have zero patience for the ?rooting for us to lose the Egg Bowl? crowd.

I get what you're saying but it isn't an emotional decision of whether we believe in MSU or not or want to win the game. Obviously a W would be nice but at what expense? We know they are garbage football. But they are improving weekly. What we have done is the opposite.

It's a business decision to salvage what we have.

[Liverpooldawg]

I'm sure all you criticizing shotgun were pulling for us to beat om in 2008. Just think how differently things could've been for us had croom won that game, no mullen

And we were in 13 to.

[Liverpooldawg]

I get what you're saying but it isn't an emotional decision of whether we believe in MSU or not or want to win the game. Obviously a W would be nice but at what expense? We know they are garbage football. But they are improving weekly. What we have done is the opposite.

It's a business decision to salvage what we have.

It COULD be seen as an emotional decision in order to DO SOMETHING.

[Captain Falcon]

I'm sure all you criticizing shotgun were pulling for us to beat om in 2008. Just think how differently things could've been for us had croom won that game, no mullen

Hindsight is 20/20 and it ended up working out, but yes, going in I wanted Croom to win that game. I think there is a big assumption that if we lose then we’ll be able to move on to our next great coach. That’s a big assumption. Hiring a coach that would be any better than Moorhead is no guarantee at all. Just look at the cycle schools like Arkansas and Tennessee have gotten themselves into. With that in mind, root for Joe to win this game.

[BeardoMSU]

It's a business decision to salvage what we have.

Emotion > Reason**

[ShotgunDawg]

Hiring a coach that would be any better than Moorhead is no guarantee at all..

So we should just punt on the football program?

If we managed to hire a worse football coach than Moorhead, then everyone involved with that decision has to be canned.

Here's what people don't understand about Moorhead, he's a 4-8 coach that happened to take over a program with more talent than that. He's not the type of coach that his record even indicates. We'd be hard pressed to make a worse hire than Moorhead assuming we read resumes

[Commercecomet24]

JoMo needs to Gomo but I just can't pull for us to lose to those turds up north, just can't do it, not in my dna.

[ShotgunDawg]

JoMo needs to Gomo but I just can't pull for us to lose to those turds up north, just can't do it, not in my dna.

Then how do you reconcile those two feelings?

I don't want to pull for them either & in truth I'm going to cheer when we score (It's in my DNA), but I can't justify it if us winning means that our program is set back further

Again, assuming you can't have your cake & eat it too, how do you reconcile this in your mind?

[gtowndawg]

I asked this question yesterday, if the players know Joe is coaching for his job in the Egg Bowl do they do whatever it takes to save him or go thru the motions? I honestly can't tell if they have mailed it in or not (sometimes I think yes, sometimes no). But if you really believe in your coach, would they not be ready to roll Ole Miss?

[Liverpooldawg]

Emotion > Reason**

It certainly is and you shouldn't have added the **. If you think anyone that want's to MAYBE not fire Joe after this year has some sort of emotion invested in that you are kidding yourself. Heck my EMOTION says fire him. My reason says "Well maybe , BUT....'

[TrapGame]

So we should just punt on the football program?

If we managed to hire a worse football coach than Moorhead, then everyone involved with that decision has to be canned.

Here's what people don't understand about Moorhead, he's a 4-8 coach that happened to take over a program with more talent than that. He's not the type of coach that his record even indicates. We'd be hard pressed to make a worse hire than Moorhead assuming we read resumes

Joe's resume was fool's gold. He had a ringer at Fordham (an NFL level RB in the Patriot League) and all this wonderful offense he had at PSU was Franklin telling him what to call (that 4 or 5 game "adjustment" was Franklin going through his play book - cough,cough: Hud & Johnson).

If people really think not bringing in some one like Napier, Norvell or even Clawson is not improvement then they are clueless. Hell, Hud would be an improvement over Moorhead.

[Really Clark?]

This so eerily familiar to 2013. We had so many fans ready to fire CDM and they were openly talking about rooting for the bears.

I don't know a single true bulldog fan that could actually go into a game and root for those f@ckers.

How about - win the game, make a bowl, win a bowl and close strong in recruiting?

Some wanted that but the majority that wanted him gone, wanted him to leave on his own and admitted that we couldn?t fire him. They were concerned that he would underachieve in 2014 because the writing was on the wall that with Dak developing faster than anticipated and young players starting to come into their own, we could have a couple of really good years coming up. But by the later third of the year most had settled down from all of that seeing how the team was developing.

[Jarius]

Then how do you reconcile those two feelings?

I don't want to pull for them either & in truth I'm going to cheer when we score (It's in my DNA), but I can't justify it if us winning means that our program is set back further

Again, assuming you can't have your cake & eat it too, how do you reconcile this in your mind?

You put leadership in place that is smart enough to realize beating a 4-7 Ole Miss team with a damn walking retard as their head coach is not a reason to not fire your own walking retard of a head coach.