THE 2020 MSU Football Recruiting Talk Thread

[Irondawg]

Isn't Wheat an ILB and is Johnson. I could see a grad transfer at both spots potentially. OLB might be depending on what Gay does

[tcdog70]

Groce has a really good offer sheet. And some of our commits are underrated and the juco guys are very underrated.. and they are college impact ready next year
At least Lawson, Heath, Wheat and Davis are..

Heath wasn't even the best wr on Co-lin. He caught 33 passes --FYI the kind from West Point at Scooba was offensive player of the year in JUCO caught 70 something passes for over 1000 yards--why not recruit HIM?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Heath wasn't even the best wr on Co-lin. He caught 33 passes --FYI the kind from West Point at Scooba was offensive player of the year in JUCO caught 70 something passes for over 1000 yards--why not recruit HIM?

Brownlee is a solid player but it's the system. They have a WR with big #'s every year. He's not a better WR than Drummond last year. He's a better athlete.

[tcdog70]

yep--they had Bester that we said was a system player we passed he went to Oklahoma and had a nice career while we had below SEC wrs. Why do you think Heath will be any better that Guidry? or do you think that? You would think that if you are the #1 wr in Juco you would catch more than 30 passes and 3 tds.

i watched every game Scooba Played and Brownlee caught the ball-can't remember a drop. he beat the best DBs in Juco.
System or not if you are the best Offensive player in JUCO --we need to sign Him. Or better yet how about run that system--You know it works pretty dam well for EMCC.

[msugolf]

yep--they had Bester that we said was a system player we passed he went to Oklahoma and had a nice career while we had below SEC wrs. Why do you think Heath will be any better that Guidry? or do you think that? You would think that if you are the #1 wr in Juco you would catch more than 30 passes and 3 tds.

i watched every game Scooba Played and Brownlee caught the ball-can't remember a drop. he beat the best DBs in Juco.
System or not if you are the best Offensive player in JUCO --we need to sign Him. Or better yet how about run that system--You know it works pretty dam well for EMCC.

We'll still have one of if not the worst WR groups in the conference next year. Heath and the freshman won't change that.

[Ari Gold]

yep--they had Bester that we said was a system player we passed he went to Oklahoma and had a nice career while we had below SEC wrs. Why do you think Heath will be any better that Guidry? or do you think that? You would think that if you are the #1 wr in Juco you would catch more than 30 passes and 3 tds.

i watched every game Scooba Played and Brownlee caught the ball-can't remember a drop. he beat the best DBs in Juco.
System or not if you are the best Offensive player in JUCO --we need to sign Him. Or better yet how about run that system--You know it works pretty dam well for EMCC.

Who’s to say he won’t be?
He was highly rated out of high school
He had offers from numerous for P5 schools out of high school and still has big time schools that would take him today ( fla included)

So our fans complain when we don’t recruit highly rated WR and now they complaining when have a highly rated WR committed.

[Ari Gold]

We'll still have one of if not the worst WR groups in the conference next year. Heath and the freshman won't change that.

Well adding 2 4 star guys in Heath and Tulu won’t hurt..
So we have no where to go but up..

[msugolf]

Well adding 2 4 star guys in Heath and Tulu won’t hurt..
So we have no where to go but up..

I just think we're putting all our eggs in one basket. We don't seem to be on any other receivers so I guess the staff is fine with what they have.

And several people who have seen Heath play (that don't work for a fan site) have said that he isn't a player you have to game plan for if you're a DCoord.

That doesn't bode well for next year since I think we'll take a step back in the running game without Hill.

[Ari Gold]

I just think we're putting all our eggs in one basket. We don't seem to be on any other receivers so I guess the staff is fine with what they have.

And several people who have seen Heath play (that don't work for a fan site) have said that he isn't a player you have to game plan for if you're a DCoord.

That doesn't bode well for next year since I think we'll take a step back in the running game without Hill.

Well if all of our eggs consists of getting the number 1 Juco WR in the country and the top ranked WR in the state I will take it .. Its is a HUGE improvement from past seasons..

[defiantdog]

I just think we're putting all our eggs in one basket. We don't seem to be on any other receivers so I guess the staff is fine with what they have.

And several people who have seen Heath play (that don't work for a fan site) have said that he isn't a player you have to game plan for if you're a DCoord.

That doesn't bode well for next year since I think we'll take a step back in the running game without Hill.

Only so many spots to give with a lot more holes to fill.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

yep--they had Bester that we said was a system player we passed he went to Oklahoma and had a nice career while we had below SEC wrs. Why do you think Heath will be any better that Guidry? or do you think that? You would think that if you are the #1 wr in Juco you would catch more than 30 passes and 3 tds.

i watched every game Scooba Played and Brownlee caught the ball-can't remember a drop. he beat the best DBs in Juco.
System or not if you are the best Offensive player in JUCO --we need to sign Him. Or better yet how about run that system--You know it works pretty dam well for EMCC.

Bester caught 3 passes his 1st year at Oklahoma. His Sr year was worse than Guidry's Sr year, which you don't think is too impressive. I do think Malik is more talented than Guidry. We'll see if he's better. He will have 1 advantage in that he won't be asked to be the #1 WR next year.

Best DB's in Juco? Currently MS is home to 1 of the Top 10 Juco CB & 3 of the top 10 Juco Safeties. He's not facing great lockdown CB's. This is no disrespect to Jason but his offer list is Charlotte, Liberty, ULM, UMASS, S Alabama, USM, & W KY. All we hear all the time is raising the talent level & getting SEC caliber guys.

So we should run the Mike Leach offense? That's pretty much the EMCC offebse.

[tcdog70]

Well if all of our eggs consists of getting the number 1 Juco WR in the country and the top ranked WR in the state I will take it .. Its is a HUGE improvement from past seasons..

he might Be the #1 JUCO wr in the country but he isn't the best WR on his team. Just like Guidry was the third wr on his JUCO team. I know they look like Tarzan but they are playing like Jane. Heath scored 3 Tds--does that look like the #1 JUCO wideout? Heath's highschool team also sucked.

If we were choosing up to play some sandlot football --I would take Brownlee and You can have Heath--and I believe I would win. But --you know it could be the system.

[tcdog70]

Bester caught 3 passes his 1st year at Oklahoma. His Sr year was worse than Guidry's Sr year, which you don't think is too impressive. I do think Malik is more talented than Guidry. We'll see if he's better. He will have 1 advantage in that he won't be asked to be the #1 WR next year.

Best DB's in Juco? Currently MS is home to 1 of the Top 10 Juco CB & 3 of the top 10 Juco Safeties. He's not facing great lockdown CB's. This is no disrespect to Jason but his offer list is Charlotte, Liberty, ULM, UMASS, S Alabama, USM, & W KY. All we hear all the time is raising the talent level & getting SEC caliber guys.

So we should run the Mike Leach offense? That's pretty much the EMCC offebse.

I would think Leach's offense or Scooba's would be much better that what Joe has thrown out so far. I'll bet that Bester didn't lead the league in dropped passes.

If we took a Poll of State fans.-I'll bet Leach's Offense would beat Jomo's by a large margin.. Just asking--you would vote for the Jomo check with me--offense??

[Ifyouonlyknew]

I would think Leach's offense or Scooba's would be much better that what Joe has thrown out so far. I'll bet that Bester didn't lead the league in dropped passes.

If we took a Poll of State fans.-I'll bet Leach's Offense would beat Jomo's by a large margin.. Just asking--you would vote for the Jomo check with me--offense??

I'm asking because I don't know when did Guidry lead the league in drops? Could you link it for me. Man if Guidry does/did lead the league in drop passes & still outproduced Bester how does that help your argument?

No I don't want to run the Mike Leach offense. I don't think it would be successful at MSU. Joe offense struggling & Leach offense not being a good fit for MSU are 2 separate arguments.

[tcdog70]

I'm asking because I don't know when did Guidry lead the league in drops? Could you link it for me. Man if Guidry does/did lead the league in drop passes & still outproduced Bester how does that help your argument?

No I don't want to run the Mike Leach offense. I don't think it would be successful at MSU. Joe offense struggling & Leach offense not being a good fit for MSU are 2 separate arguments.

Bester caught 6 passes and one for a TD against Bama in the Sugar Bowl which Bama Lost--hope Guidry can do that good Sat.

And why would Leach's offense not work at State--it has worked every where else. You would be in the minority in choosing Leach or Jomo's offense.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Bester caught 6 passes and one for a TD against Bama in the Sugar Bowl which Bama Lost--hope Guidry can do that good Sat.

And why would Leach's offense not work at State--it has worked every where else. You would be in the minority in choosing Leach or Jomo's offense.

So a quarter of his catches came in 1 game? Got it.

I never said what offense I'd pick. I said I didn't think it would work at MSU.

It's funny you've gone from we should offer Brownlee to Bester was good to Bester was better than Guidry to Bester had 1 good game against Bama to we should run EMCC offense to Leach offense better than Joe's. All because I didn't think we should off Brownlee.

[Cooterpoot]

Yes, let’s trade our WR commit who’s got SEC offers for a WR with a Liberty and CSUSA offers. Who gives a 17 about a state Juco award? We’ve got enough WR slots filled by kids that aren’t good enough. Drummond was the guy last year and he’s no difference maker at OM.

[Really Clark?]

Bester caught 6 passes and one for a TD against Bama in the Sugar Bowl which Bama Lost--hope Guidry can do that good Sat.

And why would Leach's offense not work at State--it has worked every where else. You would be in the minority in choosing Leach or Jomo's offense.

That’s the debate though, we have seen his system in the SEC already and it didn’t really work but in spurts. Now the question is would him running it yield better results since running it at Kentucky all those years ago? That’s the question but I think it is more than a fair debate whether or not it would succeed at a non traditional school in the SEC.

[Todd4State]

JUCO stats are basically meaningless. Heath may have been the “third receiver”- but the leading receiver there only had four more receptions than Heath. JUCO’s only play nine game seasons so Heath basically averaged 3-4 receptions a game on a team that went 4-5.

Football stats can be misleading because of team philosophy and scheme. And receiver stats are partially dependent on the QB.

[Turfdawg67]

So a quarter of his catches came in 1 game? Got it.

I never said what offense I'd pick. I said I didn't think it would work at MSU.

It's funny you've gone from we should offer Brownlee to Bester was good to Bester was better than Guidry to Bester had 1 good game against Bama to we should run EMCC offense to Leach offense better than Joe's. All because I didn't think we should off Brownlee.

Looks like Bama watched his tape and figured he was a non-factor.