Could Joe Judge Be Our Guy?

[ShotgunDawg]

Just reading up on him.

I didn't realize that he was promoted over the off season & is now the Patriots' special teams coordinator, WR coach, & is apparently a rising star in the coaching ranks.

He doesn't have any experience recruiting, which would be a concern, but it's hard not to think about the possibilities here.

I especially like his versatility & Belichick doesn't give coaches two jobs that he doesn't think are awesome coaches.

Here's a good article on him here. Seems like he should be a future candidate to be at MSU, but I'm not sure of his path to get here. Would be a pretty big risk to hire a guy without any OC or DC experience & no recruiting experience.

What do you guys think?

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/20...tion-patriots/

[Ifyouonlyknew]

No - if you're firing a guy after 2 seasons you damn sure don't replace him with an experiment. Esp an experiment who doesn't coach in college & has never been a coordinator. We better hire a more proven commodity. A sitting HC. They don't have to be a sitting P5 coach but damn sure better be a HC.

[Cowbell]

No - if you're firing a guy after 2 seasons you damn sure don't replace him with an experiment. Esp an experiment who doesn't coach in college & has never been a coordinator. We better hire a more proven commodity. A sitting HC. They don't have to be a sitting P5 coach but damn sure better be a HC.

Agreed. All though I hope Judge keeps building his resume to make him a candidate some day.

[Liverpooldawg]

If we fire one after 2 years the next one will HAVE to get 4 years.

[sonofozarka]

Definitely not... it's a "cool story" that he's working for Belicheck and has worked his way up to WR coach, but everyone here would think it would be a terrible hire if we got ANY OTHER 1st yr WR coach in the NFL (IF he weren't an MSU alum).

People are just enamored with the idea b/c he works for Belichick.

He's never been an OC or DC so he's not going to be able to bring in or run a dynamic O or D...
He's never worked in college.
He doesn't have experience working with many people or have connections in the game, so who in the hell would he hire as OC/DC? Patriots analysts?

[Commercecomet24]

Judge is an nfl guy. He wants to be a HC in the NFL.

[Commercecomet24]

No - if you're firing a guy after 2 seasons you damn sure don't replace him with an experiment. Esp an experiment who doesn't coach in college & has never been a coordinator. We better hire a more proven commodity. A sitting HC. They don't have to be a sitting P5 coach but damn sure better be a HC.

Right on! I want a proven HC from somewhere.

[ScoobaDawg]

Just reading up on him.

I didn't realize that he was promoted over the off season & is now the Patriots' special teams coordinator, WR coach, & is apparently a rising star in the coaching ranks.

He doesn't have any experience recruiting, which would be a concern, but it's hard not to think about the possibilities here.

I especially like his versatility & Belichick doesn't give coaches two jobs that he doesn't think are awesome coaches.

Here's a good article on him here. Seems like he should be a future candidate to be at MSU, but I'm not sure of his path to get here. Would be a pretty big risk to hire a guy without any OC or DC experience & no recruiting experience.

What do you guys think?

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/20...tion-patriots/

You are damn delusional. No freaking way... look WE want joe gone... go make a list...and this guy ain't one.

[Tbonewannabe]

Judge is an nfl guy. He wants to be a HC in the NFL.

My buddy played football with him at MSU, apparently MSU Head Coach is his dream job.

[Tbonewannabe]

Definitely not... it's a "cool story" that he's working for Belicheck and has worked his way up to WR coach, but everyone here would think it would be a terrible hire if we got ANY OTHER 1st yr WR coach in the NFL (IF he weren't an MSU alum).

People are just enamored with the idea b/c he works for Belichick.

He's never been an OC or DC so he's not going to be able to bring in or run a dynamic O or D...
He's never worked in college.
He doesn't have experience working with many people or have connections in the game, so who in the hell would he hire as OC/DC? Patriots analysts?

He worked under Saban before going to the NFL. Although he wasn't an on the field coach so I could see the lack of experience there would eliminate him.

[Hambone]

Wait, so Shotgun has blasted Cohen for hiring a guy with basically no head coaching experience (Even though he was a HC at some level) but is now lobbying for a former player with just a few years of coaching experience and never a head coach?

Come on Shotgun

[Commercecomet24]

My buddy played football with him at MSU, apparently MSU Head Coach is his dream job.

Not doubting that at all. All the Pats beat guys and message boards say he's working his way up so he can get a HC job in the NFL. Both could be his dream, I'm sure but his career trajectory now says NFL.

[Gutter Cobreh]

Not doubting that at all. All the Pats beat guys and message boards say he's working his way up so he can get a HC job in the NFL. Both could be his dream, I'm sure but his career trajectory now says NFL.

Plus as Special Teams Coordinator, he couldn't keep Gostkowski from getting injured this year... and we know from reading this board that it means S&C must be lacking... Can't bring that "soft ass" culture here...***

[Commercecomet24]

Plus as Special Teams Coordinator, he couldn't keep Gostkowski from getting injured this year... and we know from reading this board that it means S&C must be lacking... Can't bring that "soft ass" culture here...***

LOL Now thats funny! And now that you mention the Pats have had a ton of injuries this year! Judge must be getting tips from Jomo!

[Tbonewannabe]

Wait, so Shotgun has blasted Cohen for hiring a guy with basically no head coaching experience (Even though he was a HC at some level) but is now lobbying for a former player with just a few years of coaching experience and never a head coach?

Come on Shotgun

I don't think he is the right guy but he has coached under Saban and Belicheck. Lasting and getting promoted under Belicheck says a lot about his ability and work ethic. At the end of the day, he has been a coach for around 12 or so years but not much with college recruiting. I think we need someone that is at least a good recruiter or can get a great recruiting staff. Mullen wasn't a great recruiter but having his country club who also weren't great really hampered our ability to compete at the highest level.

[Commercecomet24]

I don't think he is the right guy but he has coached under Saban and Belicheck. Lasting and getting promoted under Belicheck says a lot about his ability and work ethic. At the end of the day, he has been a coach for around 12 or so years but not much with college recruiting. I think we need someone that is at least a good recruiter or can get a great recruiting staff. Mullen wasn't a great recruiter but having his country club who also weren't great really hampered our ability to compete at the highest level.

Belichick thinks very highly of Judge. He's definitely on the rise.

[Tbonewannabe]

Not doubting that at all. All the Pats beat guys and message boards say he's working his way up so he can get a HC job in the NFL. Both could be his dream, I'm sure but his career trajectory now says NFL.

Yep, his opportunities seem to be in the NFL game. It seems like he would have to take a lower level college job and prove he could handle and excel at the recruiting aspect. Sometimes you just have to follow where the opportunities lead you.

[Commercecomet24]

Yep, his opportunities seem to be in the NFL game. It seems like he would have to take a lower level college job and prove he could handle and excel at the recruiting aspect. Sometimes you just have to follow where the opportunities lead you.

You right and he's in the right place and with the right guy to move him up. NFL teams sure like taking Belichicks guys as HC's(even though the track record isn't great). I hope Judge becomes a star coach in the league. Would be cool if he could come back to State one day.

[Johnson85]

No - if you're firing a guy after 2 seasons you damn sure don't replace him with an experiment. Esp an experiment who doesn't coach in college & has never been a coordinator. We better hire a more proven commodity. A sitting HC. They don't have to be a sitting P5 coach but damn sure better be a HC.

Why would we need a sitting head coach this time when we are a less desirable job now than we were when we hired Joe? I'm certainly fine with a G5 head coach, but it seems like you are asking for a higher standard now than we had two years ago, when the only thing that is more desirable about the job now is that there will be a less successful recent coach to compare performance to.

I'd certainly lean towards spending more for a more proven commodity now and giving up potential upside to (hopefully) eliminate some down side just because making two bad hires in a row would be devastating, but firing a guy after two seasons doesn't really have anyhing to do with it.

[PMDawg]

No - if you're firing a guy after 2 seasons you damn sure don't replace him with an experiment. Esp an experiment who doesn't coach in college & has never been a coordinator. We better hire a more proven commodity. A sitting HC. They don't have to be a sitting P5 coach but damn sure better be a HC.

Thank you.