Norvell

[Really Clark?]

Which is to say, the AAC West is as good or better than 2 power 5 divisions, thus making it not weak IMO. For a non power 5 division to be as good or better than 2 power 5 divisions shows a relative strength to me.

Yeah but you called the ACC awful...they are right there with them then. I think the AAC west is a good division but I also don’t just take a computer ranking and that be the end all be all. It’s a good competitive division I just don’t see it above the ACC yet when looking at actual games played recently

[biggun]

I think it's more than gambling. Rumors of Canny type stuff in addition to it. Again, just rumors and I'm not saying it should be a deal breaker....I just don't see Cohen risking his own job by taking a risk on a Cannizzaro 2.0 situation happening.

He should be at risk his own job with the Moorhead hire

[Pipedream]

Yeah but you called the ACC awful...they are right there with them then. I think the AAC west is a good division but I also don?t just take a computer ranking and that be the end all be all. It?s a good competitive division I just don?t see it above the ACC yet when looking at actual games played recently

Well, it's all relative, right? The ACC is weak for a power 5 conference, but the AAC is strong for a G5 division. Do you know how well those teams have to perform every game to jump the inherit sos advantage a power 5 conference has in the formula? It's pretty substantial. Doesn't have to be the end all be all, but there's multiple analytics rankings that feel the same way about this question. You think they're all wrong? So far you've brought up games for up to 3 years ago which have no relevance to this season.

[Percho]

Let me tell you why Norvell isn?t the guy:
1. No conference championships in a bad conference.
2. No bowl wins.
3. Only 3 top 25 wins (Houston, Navy, UCLA). One of those finished with a losing record, one one game over .500. The other with 4 losses).
4. Fuente was as good and looks like a bad hire at Va Tech.

That conference is waaay down this year too. It?s bad.

Well then, let's dig up the, Bear!

[dawgs]

If he doesnt, its on us. The hell with that. Its not like he is Art Briles. He got another job, no reason to play the moral superiority card here. Especially when its all basically speculation

Art Briles is a HS coach now. He's not touching another college gig, especially not a P5 gig.

[Percho]

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Who is the best coach, under 55 years of age, we could hire who would stay at MSU if he became a winner and even won the west and or SEC?

Names, please.

BTW I like Norvell. Would he stay if he could win at MSU even to Merlin's degree?

[Tbonewannabe]

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Who is the best coach, under 55 years of age, we could hire who would stay at MSU if he became a winner and even won the west and or SEC?

Names, please.

BTW I like Norvell. Would he stay if he could win at MSU even to Merlin's degree?

The truth is that we have the cash to make it hard to leave but we are also capped at a 4 year contract whereas other schools don't have that. A&M had to give Jimbo 10 years to get him. We don't have that option even if Urban Meyer wanted to come to MSU. Mullen left $6 Mil on the table but it was $6 Mil at 4 years. He got fulled guaranteed $6 Mil at 6 years. That is another $12 Mil guaranteed.

Saying that, we really shouldn't get poached by anyone but upper tier blue bloods with our available revenue now. We will always have the risk of losing our coach to someone like UF, UGA, or Bama but the likelyhood of losing someone to Rutgers that we actually want to keep is very small.

[ckDOG]

We would be fools not to hire Norvell. If he has a red flag that is scaring off big time programs then it is even more important we snag him as proven HCs in the prime of their careers do not sniff at our job.

Do we want a proven HC or do we not? Simple question. If yes, go get the man.

[HRTFXR]

That's unfortunate...

[Percho]

The truth is that we have the cash to make it hard to leave but we are also capped at a 4 year contract whereas other schools don't have that. A&M had to give Jimbo 10 years to get him. We don't have that option even if Urban Meyer wanted to come to MSU. Mullen left $6 Mil on the table but it was $6 Mil at 4 years. He got fulled guaranteed $6 Mil at 6 years. That is another $12 Mil guaranteed.

Saying that, we really shouldn't get poached by anyone but upper tier blue bloods with our available revenue now. We will always have the risk of losing our coach to someone like UF, UGA, or Bama but the likelyhood of losing someone to Rutgers that we actually want to keep is very small.

I do not think it is about the money, other than, money as shown as prestige. I think for someone like M it was the appearance of prestige. Tenn is better than, Ga is better than, Miami is better than, Fl is better than.

He came here with that in mind. Who under 55 would stay as a winner, that has the possibility, as a coach, of being a winner?

[Tbonewannabe]

I do not think it is about the money, other than, money as shown as prestige. I think for someone like M it was the appearance of prestige. Tenn is better than, Ga is better than, Miami is better than, Fl is better than.

He came here with that in mind. Who under 55 would stay as a winner, that had the possibility as a coach, of being a winner?

I think for Mullen, it was where is it easier to recruit. He is a great on the field coach and everyone knows that you would have to be god awful to get worse than a top 25 recruiting class at UF. Now to get up into the top 10 then it takes some work but for someone that hates recruiting, it makes your job easier. He also immediately had the talent level to at least compete with UGA and Bama. He gets that talent every year without really working at it. That gets him closer to his goal of winning a National Title.

I do think he flirted with Maryland, 1.) for the money ie. longer contract than 4 years. 2.) they probably pitched some type of Oregon-Nike scenario with Under Armour backing. At the end of the day though, he left them hanging for the opportunity to interview with Miami which would be easier recruiting.

[Cooterpoot]

We would be fools not to hire Norvell. If he has a red flag that is scaring off big time programs then it is even more important we snag him as proven HCs in the prime of their careers do not sniff at our job.

Do we want a proven HC or do we not? Simple question. If yes, go get the man.

Proven vs who? LOL
He?s proven he can finish 2nd in a crappy league. No point in hiring anyone from a G5 that can?t win their conference.

[Percho]

Proven vs who? LOL
He?s proven he can finish 2nd in a crappy league. No point in hiring anyone from a G5 that can?t win their conference.

How does our talent compare with his?

[Cooterpoot]

How does our talent compare with his?

Better than his. How does his schedule compare to ours?

[Percho]

Better than his. How does his schedule compare to ours?

Is the talent on his team that much greater than the rest of the teams on his schedule?

Where do you believe he would finish with our team this and the last three years in our league? Where we finished? Worse than we finished? Better than we finished?

Compare him as a coach to Dan.

[Maroonthirteen]

Better than his. How does his schedule compare to ours?

Just noting.... as we all know....

Memphis beat OM at home to open the season. We shall see how it turns out for us.

[ckDOG]

Proven vs who? LOL
He?s proven he can finish 2nd in a crappy league. No point in hiring anyone from a G5 that can?t win their conference.

Yes. Proven. As in showing he can win games on a consistent basis at a shitty football school. In the south. Recruiting players that grow up in the culture and high school systems we recruit from. What else do you need from someone we can actually hire? Are you suggesting our definition of proven should be an over performing HC in a strong conference at a historically mediocre program? If so, those coaches end up at Florida. Reset your evaluation of the market.

[Cooterpoot]

Yes. Proven. As in showing he can win games on a consistent basis at a shitty football school. In the south. Recruiting players that grow up in the culture and high school systems we recruit from. What else do you need from someone we can actually hire? Are you suggesting our definition of proven should be an over performing HC in a strong conference at a historically mediocre program? If so, those coaches end up at Florida. Reset your evaluation of the market.

Proven vs who? You guys can’t answer that, because they literally beat no damn body. I’ve already said if we take a G5 HC they should’ve at least won their damn shitty conference. What part of that did you not understand? Novell is who we’d go to if everybody else shot us down. At that point, you’d settle.

[Cooterpoot]

Just noting.... as we all know....

Memphis beat OM at home to open the season. We shall see how it turns out for us.

And Plumlee didn?t play. They struggled to put points on OM too.

[dawgs]

Proven vs who? You guys can’t answer that, because they literally beat no damn body. I’ve already said if we take a G5 HC they should’ve at least won their damn shitty conference. What part of that did you not understand? Novell is who we’d go to if everybody else shot us down. At that point, you’d settle.

We aren't pulling a winning HC from a P5 program unless there's something abnormal going on. I get what you are saying about Norvell, but he's also lost his conference to UCF who has been the best G5 program in the country the last 5 years. Call it shitty all you want but UCF regularly beat quality P5 programs when they got the chance. Cincy, SMU, and Houston are also no slouches at the G5 level the last 5 or so seasons. So we can holler about not winning his "shitty conference" all we want and it sounds good in a vacuum, but it's also ignoring some major factors that give context to the statement and we'd be fools to eliminate the guy because he lost to arguably the best G5 team since Boise st's prime in OT in the 2017 AAC conference championship game.