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09-16-2019, 10:57 AM
#141
Originally Posted by
msstate7
Spin away... I didn't say recruiting rankings were to blame for this loss, but you did, or strongly insinuated it.
With everything we know about recruiting rankings - do you really believe there is that much difference between a team with a roster that the average player rates an 83 and a team that rates 87? When you know a guy like Montez Sweat was rated a 3* 86? Or Benardrick McKinney or Darius Slay was an 82? Do you really believe that we are the only team that has players like that?
The reality is there really isn't that much difference in talent outside the Top 10 recruiters and say #75. Within that range other factors can make or break seasons very quickly because the margin is so thin. A rash of injuries; a player suspension; a coach screwing up a QB battle; or recruiting holes, can swing a team from being a 8 win team to a 5 win team quickly.
Look at our 2013 team - OL injuries and recruiting gaps kept a team with an NFL running back from being better than 6-6.
Last edited by BrunswickDawg; 09-16-2019 at 11:06 AM.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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09-16-2019, 10:58 AM
#142
Originally Posted by
msstate7
Huh? Kentucky is more talented than KSU. No sure where you got this
yeah, I whiffed on that
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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09-16-2019, 11:00 AM
#143
Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
With everything we know about recruiting rankings - do you really believe there is that much difference between a team with a roster that the average player rates an 83 and a team that rates 87? When you know a guy like Montez Sweat was rated a 3* 86? Or Benardrick McKinney or Darius Slay was an 82? Do you really believe that we are the only team that has players like that?
I absolutely believe there are guys like that all over the country. I just do not in any way think we lost bc we were outmatched in talent Saturday. Joe had some horrible luck with injuries, no doubt. If you asking me who is to blame for Saturday's loss though, Mullen shouldn't be mentioned, at all.
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09-16-2019, 11:03 AM
#144
The player rankings are skewed terribly due to the fact that we have guys like yancy and ben at the school up north who participate in the assessments. They mite have gone to journalism school and be good at punctuation but I will leave the player scouting to the well informed coaches.
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09-16-2019, 11:40 AM
#145
So hang on a second. When Moorhead has a class ranked a few spots better than Mullen, it's proof he's a better recruiter.
When our class average is 50 spots ahead of KSU, well, you can't really derive anything from that.
Cool.
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09-16-2019, 11:43 AM
#146
Originally Posted by
smootness
So hang on a second. When Moorhead has a class ranked a few spots better than Mullen, it's proof he's a better recruiter.
When our class average is 50 spots ahead of KSU, well, you can't really derive anything from that.
Cool.
You just want Moorhead to lose so you can right! - 75% of ED screaming at you
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09-16-2019, 11:46 AM
#147
Originally Posted by
msstate7
I absolutely believe there are guys like that all over the country. I just do not in any way think we lost bc we were outmatched in talent Saturday. Joe had some horrible luck with injuries, no doubt. If you asking me who is to blame for Saturday's loss though, Mullen shouldn't be mentioned, at all.
I was really referring to the overall state of the program trying not to be game specific. Again, Joe is responsible for the on-field performance. Period. However, having roster holes that exacerbate the situation are not on him (yet). In fact, I think he has done a very good job trying address it. And yeah, I do blame Mullen for those holes. And if you go back in threads on this board prior to him leaving, you will find plenty of discussion about the roster problems he was creating with his unbalanced classes, undersigning, and misses at key positions it plays a huge part in what Joe is trying to work with. I think most people felt that it would really not catch up to us this year - and we were wrong.
So, when we play another P5 team - and we aren't at full strength - we have not built our program up enough that we can overcome someone on talent, we have to actually execute. We saw that in '16 against BYU. But we were replacing a lot from '15, had a QB trying to establish himself in the shadow of a legend, and the errors in margins led to a loss. To get game specific - we did not execute on Saturday (that's on Joe), and the holes in the roster meant our margin of error is too small to "out talent" another solid P5 team.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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09-16-2019, 11:47 AM
#148
Originally Posted by
smootness
So hang on a second. When Moorhead has a class ranked a few spots better than Mullen, it's proof he's a better recruiter.
When our class average is 50 spots ahead of KSU, well, you can't really derive anything from that.
Cool.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds***
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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09-16-2019, 11:49 AM
#149
Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds***
So is what you're saying is that most people on here are thinking "outside the box" ? ***
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09-16-2019, 12:27 PM
#150
JoMo may be so far out of the box that we can't even find the location of the box.
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