Scrimmage Observations

[confucius say]

good. I know that was a big complaint from last year.

Even some of the players last year commented on the lack of 1v1, of course I think they liked the change.

Maybe more 1v1 this year is part of what joe meant when he talked about going back to more of a blue collar, physical mindset.

[ShotgunDawg]

Fitz could absolutely rip it. I think you are trying to hard here haha ''rpms'' Accuracy and the mental side were his issues, we are beating his dead horse into the ground around here

Disagree. I'm not trying hard at all. That's actually what the answer is.

[msstate7]

Disagree. I'm not trying hard at all. That's actually what the answer is.

I have no idea either way, but I am interested in where you get the rpms. Do we have statcast ai tracking our QBs?

[Coach007]

They went 1 vs 1 a lot yesterday. You could clearly hear Joe yell 1O vs 1D multiple times throughout the scrimmage.

I'm just repeating what Shoop stated...

Word for word:


Q: So how was it tonight?
Shoop: We had the No. 1 defense against the 2 offense and the No. 2 defense against the No. 1 offense. As you would expect, I thought the 1 offense moved the ball pretty well against the 2s and the 1 defense did a pretty good job against the 2 offense.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Disagree. I'm not trying hard at all. That's actually what the answer is.

Sure its not that he was inaccurate or that we dropped passes its his revolutions per minute on the ball (there is no case ever that a ball as been in the air for an entire minute) werent very good

[thf24]

I think Shotgun is only speculating that poor rotation is a significant factor in Fitz' passing issues, but it's a good speculation because it fits the bill pretty closely in terms of the criticisms of his end result throwing the ball.

http://perceptionaction.com/poorthrow/ (Posted this once already but without much context).

tl;dr - poor rotation rate = looser and inconsistent spiral = erratic trajectory and harder to catch, which gets worse the higher the velocity.

[thf24]

delete

[Coach34]

I'm just repeating what Shoop stated...

Word for word:


Q: So how was it tonight?
Shoop: We had the No. 1 defense against the 2 offense and the No. 2 defense against the No. 1 offense. As you would expect, I thought the 1 offense moved the ball pretty well against the 2s and the 1 defense did a pretty good job against the 2 offense.

hmmm- seems like someone is wrong. Wonder if its the coach or the message board posters?

[Ifyouonlyknew]

hmmm- seems like someone is wrong. Wonder if its the coach or the message board posters?

I can't speak for last night but the 1st scrimmage was 1 v 1.

[Coach007]

I can't speak for last night but the 1st scrimmage was 1 v 1.

And last night there may have been some 1v1. Maybe the majority was just that.

[MaroonFlounder]

Disagree. I'm not trying hard at all. That's actually what the answer is.

The irony of your tagline.

I think you were fighting your own ignorance with that analysis, chief.

[DownwardDawg]

I can't speak for last night but the 1st scrimmage was 1 v 1.

Reading comprehension is not a strong point for some. It was pretty clear to most of us what you posted.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

2 weeks... then you guys can bitch and moan about games, players, and coaching decisions rather than whether or not how fast you spin a ball affects how easy it is to catch. Fitz is old news and I'll be happy when we can put bickering over just how bad of a passer he was behind us. In Tommy we trust.

...... but for the record, I do remember last preseason how everyone was praising Fitz's newfoud touch and accuracy, and how he was at like 70% comp % in camp... I also remember a lot of people questioning Shoop based on the simple D we ran in scrimmages. I also remember a lot praise for Austin Williams, and how Mullen was an idiot to redshirt him. Og yeah, and we were finally going to use the TE's... I also don't remember hearing about the OT's being a liability at pass pro, Fitz being incapable of making a pre-snap read in this O, or just how good Abram would be.

Camp can't teach you ANYTHING. Learn from last year people. I know we're like heroin addicts looking for one shot of football, but camp rumors are like a dirty needle found on the ground- it might be a quick fix but it's not worth the risk to your health. Think of last year's season for that matter; NONE of us knew the O had flaws till game 4 of the season. If we didn't see that abomination of an O coming through over 200 real game snaps, how much can we learn fro ma few dozen snaps in a scrimmage? Camp scouting reports are useless.

All that said, I'll still read through every one if these threads lol

[Coach007]

2 weeks... then you guys can bitch and moan about games, players, and coaching decisions rather than whether or not how fast you spin a ball affects how easy it is to catch. Fitz is old news and I'll be happy when we can put bickering over just how bad of a passer he was behind us. In Tommy we trust.

...... but for the record, I do remember last preseason how everyone was praising Fitz's newfoud touch and accuracy, and how he was at like 70% comp % in camp... I also remember a lot of people questioning Shoop based on the simple D we ran in scrimmages. I also remember a lot praise for Austin Williams, and how Mullen was an idiot to redshirt him. Og yeah, and we were finally going to use the TE's... I also don't remember hearing about the OT's being a liability at pass pro, Fitz being incapable of making a pre-snap read in this O, or just how good Abram would be.

Camp can't teach you ANYTHING. Learn from last year people. I know we're like heroin addicts looking for one shot of football, but camp rumors are like a dirty needle found on the ground- it might be a quick fix but it's not worth the risk to your health. Think of last year's season for that matter; NONE of us knew the O had flaws till game 4 of the season. If we didn't see that abomination of an O coming through over 200 real game snaps, how much can we learn fro ma few dozen snaps in a scrimmage? Camp scouting reports are useless.

All that said, I'll still read through every one if these threads lol

I like you.

[turkish]

good. I know that was a big complaint from last year.

Lmao

[maroonmania]

Just put the QB in that can make the reads and throw a catchable ball while an SEC lineman in breathing on you. Spinning it pretty is for camp QBs and 7 on 7 ball. Just get it done.

I agree with this. Making the right reads and throwing an accurate ball are more important than RPMs.

[msstate7]

2 weeks... then you guys can bitch and moan about games, players, and coaching decisions rather than whether or not how fast you spin a ball affects how easy it is to catch. Fitz is old news and I'll be happy when we can put bickering over just how bad of a passer he was behind us. In Tommy we trust.

...... but for the record, I do remember last preseason how everyone was praising Fitz's newfoud touch and accuracy, and how he was at like 70% comp % in camp... I also remember a lot of people questioning Shoop based on the simple D we ran in scrimmages. I also remember a lot praise for Austin Williams, and how Mullen was an idiot to redshirt him. Og yeah, and we were finally going to use the TE's... I also don't remember hearing about the OT's being a liability at pass pro, Fitz being incapable of making a pre-snap read in this O, or just how good Abram would be.

Camp can't teach you ANYTHING. Learn from last year people. I know we're like heroin addicts looking for one shot of football, but camp rumors are like a dirty needle found on the ground- it might be a quick fix but it's not worth the risk to your health. Think of last year's season for that matter; NONE of us knew the O had flaws till game 4 of the season. If we didn't see that abomination of an O coming through over 200 real game snaps, how much can we learn fro ma few dozen snaps in a scrimmage? Camp scouting reports are useless.

All that said, I'll still read through every one if these threads lol

Dang, that was good. Tried to rep you, but gotta spread it around...

[ShotgunDawg]

The irony of your tagline.

I think you were fighting your own ignorance with that analysis, chief.

Thinking could be a dangerous activity for you. I'd stay away.

To simplify my point: Fitz has a strong arm but not a fast arm. Fast arms produce more catchable balls. Fitz throws with the strength of his body. If Fitz were 6'1" 210, he wouldn't have near as strong of an arm. Dak is even a somewhat of a strength based thrower. Guys like Pat Maholmes, Kyler Murray, Brady, Favre, Brees, etc have fast arms. Arm speed. Doesn't matter how big they are because the velocity doesn't come from their strength.

[RiverCityDawg]

2 weeks... then you guys can bitch and moan about games, players, and coaching decisions rather than whether or not how fast you spin a ball affects how easy it is to catch. Fitz is old news and I'll be happy when we can put bickering over just how bad of a passer he was behind us. In Tommy we trust.

...... but for the record, I do remember last preseason how everyone was praising Fitz's newfoud touch and accuracy, and how he was at like 70% comp % in camp... I also remember a lot of people questioning Shoop based on the simple D we ran in scrimmages. I also remember a lot praise for Austin Williams, and how Mullen was an idiot to redshirt him. Og yeah, and we were finally going to use the TE's... I also don't remember hearing about the OT's being a liability at pass pro, Fitz being incapable of making a pre-snap read in this O, or just how good Abram would be.

Camp can't teach you ANYTHING. Learn from last year people. I know we're like heroin addicts looking for one shot of football, but camp rumors are like a dirty needle found on the ground- it might be a quick fix but it's not worth the risk to your health. Think of last year's season for that matter; NONE of us knew the O had flaws till game 4 of the season. If we didn't see that abomination of an O coming through over 200 real game snaps, how much can we learn fro ma few dozen snaps in a scrimmage? Camp scouting reports are useless.

All that said, I'll still read through every one if these threads lol

100% every word

[Homedawg]

Here's one scouting report that isn't a made up one, just scary. Jackson is a backup dt. He's played zero snaps at dt in college. Lovett played in 2 games. Etc. Autry is going to miss games... Pickering isn't ready to play but he's going to have to. Our dt situation has me bad afraid. We are going to have to blitz like crazy and that's how big plays occur. I know I know, I'm about to get jumped they we aren't falling off that much yada yada yada.... at dt we aren't falling off much, of a small cliff doesn't count