Cut that Jovester sh*t out. I thought there were rules about names on this board...

[Homedawg]

Would you count dropping balls like Guidry and Mitchell did flukey? I sure as hell would.

Would you call A&M dropping 10+ passes a fluke? Or auburn fumbling going into the end zone? It's amazing how people just remember the drops or bad stuff that happens to us. Those two games are different if those things don't happen. But I'm not giving them back.

[Jack Lambert]

with a team that should have won at least 10

And that goes back to Mullen's WR recruiting.

[Todd4State]

Mullen catches waaay too much hell here, but wr talent is the one area where he certainly should be blamed

Offensive tackle?

[Todd4State]

Would you call A&M dropping 10+ passes a fluke? Or auburn fumbling going into the end zone? It's amazing how people just remember the drops or bad stuff that happens to us. Those two games are different if those things don't happen. But I'm not giving them back.

Actually, turnovers are fairly random events so basically you probably can consider a turnover a fluke to a degree.

I do agree that our fans are more "rational" in that they sometimes put down our wins because something happened during the game like that and we capitalized on it. But the reality is that happens in a lot of games throughout the year. It's not something to be really looked down upon. Good teams create turnovers and take advantage of the other teams mistakes. And sometimes mistakes are forced by pressure which is a function of talent to a degree.

[DownwardDawg]

I’m not getting dragged into the mud anymore.

[MetEdDawg]

Would you call A&M dropping 10+ passes a fluke? Or auburn fumbling going into the end zone? It's amazing how people just remember the drops or bad stuff that happens to us. Those two games are different if those things don't happen. But I'm not giving them back.

As long as Bo fumbling into the end zone to lose the Egg Bowl is a fluke too. This is so dumb. I get it. Dropped passes are part of the game. My question is why do you and others like you keep trying to qualify everything about Joe in the negative? Well other teams did this. Well it can't be a fluke win. Everything is qualified. Can't ever just look at us and say "of course we stunk on offense but there were things that players did that cost us games that might have been out of Joe's hands."

You and a few others would rather be right than MSU win. I'm sure you were one of the ones that questioned this hire and want to be proven right instead of be wrong and Joe have wild amounts of success.

For a program as bad as ours has been comparatively, I've never seen a head coach take more 1st year shit than Moorhead. When 8 wins is the most you've ever had from a first year coach in your program's history and you are pissed at that, you should re-evaluate your expectations. Sure winning 10 was possible, most likely under Mullen. But I think you want Joe to fail.

[DownwardDawg]

I?ll never forget talking to the HS head coach that played at MSU. He told me he would never allow one of his players to go to State as long as Mullins was at State. I didn?t understand at the time, but as we continued to suck at recruiting I started understanding.

[bobcat91]

with a team that should have won at least 10

Not his fault we were 2 dropped passes away from a 10 win season. He had a few head scratchers but was set up for a top 10 season.

[Coach007]

As long as Bo fumbling into the end zone to lose the Egg Bowl is a fluke too. This is so dumb. I get it. Dropped passes are part of the game. My question is why do you and others like you keep trying to qualify everything about Joe in the negative? Well other teams did this. Well it can't be a fluke win. Everything is qualified. Can't ever just look at us and say "of course we stunk on offense but there were things that players did that cost us games that might have been out of Joe's hands."

You and a few others would rather be right than MSU win. I'm sure you were one of the ones that questioned this hire and want to be proven right instead of be wrong and Joe have wild amounts of success.

For a program as bad as ours has been comparatively, I've never seen a head coach take more 1st year shit than Moorhead. When 8 wins is the most you've ever had from a first year coach in your program's history and you are pissed at that, you should re-evaluate your expectations. Sure winning 10 was possible, most likely under Mullen. But I think you want Joe to fail.

Preach EV!!!! PREACH!!!!

[Homedawg]

Actually, turnovers are fairly random events so basically you probably can consider a turnover a fluke to a degree.

I do agree that our fans are more "rational" in that they sometimes put down our wins because something happened during the game like that and we capitalized on it. But the reality is that happens in a lot of games throughout the year. It's not something to be really looked down upon. Good teams create turnovers and take advantage of the other teams mistakes. And sometimes mistakes are forced by pressure which is a function of talent to a degree.

Agree w your post.... but A&M has ten drops. No mention of that here. Why?? Bc we forget as a fan base of good fortune, and remember the bad. I'm guilty too.

[msstate7]

I?ll never forget talking to the HS head coach that played at MSU. He told me he would never allow one of his players to go to State as long as Mullins was at State. I didn?t understand at the time, but as we continued to suck at recruiting I started understanding.

One of the world's great mysteries is how Mullen sucked so bad at recruiting, yet ended up with 3 1st rounders last season and a bunch more drafted players coming this year.

[Homedawg]

As long as Bo fumbling into the end zone to lose the Egg Bowl is a fluke too. This is so dumb. I get it. Dropped passes are part of the game. My question is why do you and others like you keep trying to qualify everything about Joe in the negative? Well other teams did this. Well it can't be a fluke win. Everything is qualified. Can't ever just look at us and say "of course we stunk on offense but there were things that players did that cost us games that might have been out of Joe's hands."

You and a few others would rather be right than MSU win. I'm sure you were one of the ones that questioned this hire and want to be proven right instead of be wrong and Joe have wild amounts of success.

For a program as bad as ours has been comparatively, I've never seen a head coach take more 1st year shit than Moorhead. When 8 wins is the most you've ever had from a first year coach in your program's history and you are pissed at that, you should re-evaluate your expectations. Sure winning 10 was possible, most likely under Mullen. But I think you want Joe to fail.

Yes they are part of the game, but why do you and a gazillion others keep saying that we were two drops away from 10 wins then? If that's so we were 10 drops away from losing to A&M. Can't have it both ways. The part about us losing is so far from the truth. I'd way rather us win. Way more.and no I thought no was a good hire. Still might be. Great guy. Works hard. I want him to succeed more than you know. W that said last year he didn't get it done. I hope he wins 8 this year. If he does I would consider that a success.

[Homedawg]

One of the world's great mysteries is how Mullen sucked so bad at recruiting, yet ended up with 3 1st rounders last season and a bunch more drafted players coming this year.

I honestly hope joe makes it to play w his own guys. Honestly. Two reasons, one he will have been at least successful enough for keep his job a secondly, see how dan can be blamed then. Should be great.

[Bothrops]

with a team that should have won at least 10

Not with our passing game last year.

[Todd4State]

One of the world's great mysteries is how Mullen sucked so bad at recruiting, yet ended up with 3 1st rounders last season and a bunch more drafted players coming this year.

Well, let me give you some insight on that. It's not a coincidence that they were all on the opposite side of the ball from the one that the Country Club recruited.

The reality of recruiting at the end of the day is it comes back to roost three-five years after a class is put together. That's why Mullen gets blamed for some of our weaknesses last year even though you want to blame all of it on Joe. Joe didn't recruit:


1. A high school option QB that was more concerned with his girlfriend than learning to read defenses.

2. WR's that couldn't catch the ball. One of whom was a last minute add on in April or May because Dan forgot that we had no receivers taller than 5'11" until the spring game.

3. A lack of depth on OL which forced us to play a guard at RT and a guy at LT that may not even start for us this year and has been moved back to RT.

[Todd4State]

I honestly hope joe makes it to play w his own guys. Honestly. Two reasons, one he will have been at least successful enough for keep his job a secondly, see how dan can be blamed then. Should be great.

No one is going to blame Dan for anything with our football program 1-2 years from now and I'm not sure why you are even so concerned with that? As far as last year though- there is absolutely some legit reasons to blame Dan for it. The reality is we had 12-0 defensive talent and 6-6 offensive talent. The end was result was essentially meeting in the middle.

[Lord McBuckethead]

No one is going to blame Dan for anything with our football program 1-2 years from now and I'm not sure why you are even so concerned with that? As far as last year though- there is absolutely some legit reasons to blame Dan for it. The reality is we had 12-0 defensive talent and 6-6 offensive talent. The end was result was essentially meeting in the middle.

Bingo. Oh yeah, Fitz not shaving his head told me all i needed to know.

[Jarius]

Lol. Joe might have to earn his way out of this one. He wins 8-10 games this season and people will be happy.

I mean one person is calling him that dumbass name. It's like the girl in "Mean Girls" that tried to make "fetch" a catch phrase. Most people just roll their eyes when they read that stupid shit.

[Todd4State]

Bingo. Oh yeah, Fitz not shaving his head told me all i needed to know.

Honestly that didn't really mean much to me.

But my opinion is based on the fact that I had heard that he was going to Athens, Georgia all the time to visit his girlfriend and I guess to your point that excuse he came up with as to not shave his head was because of his girlfriend's beauty pageant. And then he was suspended for game one. That all said a lot to me.

And I don't mind our players having a social life and having a life away from football. I think that's actually important that they do have a life away from the sport. But it's an issue if it keeps them from doing what they need to do to excel on the field.

All of that is why I am a little harder on him than some on the board.

[DancingRabbit]

I mean one person is calling him that dumbass name. It's like the girl in "Mean Girls" that tried to make "fetch" a catch phrase. Most people just roll their eyes when they read that stupid shit.

It's juvenile shit to troll the board. I do hope it's an act and he's not like this in "real life".